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Old 04-25-2008, 09:34 PM    (permalink
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so did Shockey want to get traded? if so i guess i understand
but if not then i think the Giants should have keep him IMO
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Shockey is damaged goods. That said, Brees is much better at targeting his TE than Eli.
Much, much better.

This is a great deal for the Saints. and honestly the Giants getting a second +anything else is a good deal for a malcontent who they won a Super Bowl without.
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Now what would it take to trade up with the Rams? #10 this year, 3rd rounder, and 1st round next year?
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Well I think this rules out them trading up to get Dorsey or Ellis. Im pretty sure they will stay put at 10 now.
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Shock, I just looked back at the stat lines for our running game after Shockey went out, particularly in the playoffs, and youre right, there was a significant dropoff in production by our run game when Shockey went out.

Especially with Jacobs. Bradshaw still held his own.

At first i wasn't too worried, but after going through and crunching the numbers, and seeing how significant the dropoff was (it was literally about 35-40 yards a game), it is concerning.

I guess the only thing I can think of is again, hoping that Boss improves his blocking even more during TC, and perhaps giving Bradshaw/Ward more carries and not making Jacobs our feature back. Im in favor of a 15/15 split, but who knows how they wind up splitting the carries. Should be something to pay attention to though.

That's what I am saying.. We run power, and if we can't seal the edge then our Titanic sinks. But we use Bradshaw he sees that the play is shot, and cuts it back like he did on the TD in the Bills game. Keep watching that play over, that's a perfect example of what vision can do, if a play is doomed to fail from the get go. Jacobs would keep running trying to plow his way for a 1 yard or 2. So while everyone says Eli did well with Shockey out, our running game dropped against these playoff teams in the playoffs.
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Yeah. Boss can't block. I still hope this doesn't happen.

I think Rosenhaus really wanted a new contract and they weren't going to give one.
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If I'm Loomis, I would let them sweat it out....

I have a good feeling the Giants will take a 3rd for Shockey..their just waiting for Loomis to blink...which he won't.
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If I'm Loomis, I would let them sweat it out....

I have a good feeling the Giants will take a 3rd for Shockey..their just waiting for Loomis to blink...which he won't.
Yeah, Loomis doesn't f'n play around.
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Why haven't the Saints just drafted a decent tight end over the last three or four years instead of signing a bunch of scrubs?
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If I'm Loomis, I would let them sweat it out....

I have a good feeling the Giants will take a 3rd for Shockey..their just waiting for Loomis to blink...which he won't.
Yeah the Giants who were offered a 2nd round pick already would now take a 3rd rounder instead for their all pro TE who is their biggest money maker to the orginization over the last 4 or so years (jerseys and shirts). Makes perfect sense
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It'll get done for the 2nd and some pick switch a roo
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IDK, why haven't the vikings?
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IDK, why haven't the vikings?
or cincinnati (thank god we got Utecht though)
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I honestly don't know why. Just wasn't a priority. Hopefully it is this year.
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If this deal doesn't get done, I say either Lito is a Saint by the end of the day or they trade up from #10. I don't think they'll sit still during draft day after being involved in so many rumors the past couple weeks. I could even see them getting Shockey or Lito, and still trade up using future picks.
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so do you think you guys still try to move up for Ellis?
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I think we will. I would love for us to come away with Sedrick Ellis (or Dorsey if he falls *crossing fingers*) and Lito Sheppard. I'm not too high on the whole Shockey thing.
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I think we will. I would love for us to come away with Sedrick Ellis (or Dorsey if he falls *crossing fingers*) and Lito Sheppard. I'm not too high on the whole Shockey thing.
"Not too high on the whole Shockey thing" is a vast understatement for me.

Good organizations take smart risks with certain injured players. The Saints did that with Drew Brees and it paid off tremendously. But he was operated on and rehabbed by the best sports medicine doctor in the United States, Dr. James Andrews. It seems, however, that we are going overboard with trying to trade for and sign big name players coming off big injuries. Jonathan Vilma (who I fully expect to recuperate 100%) and Dan Morgan are the two latest that we're going to try and rely on. Vilma I'm sure will do fine but Morgan is one more hit away from living the rest of his life in a wheelchair and eating his meals through a straw. Now we're trying to trade a 2nd round pick for a guy who will NEVER be the same again after coming off a very significant injury.

There is no way, no ******* way that Shockey is able to perform as well as he did after having his leg broken. I don't see why the Saints are so gung-ho to trade for him in the first place. I guess the idea of drafting a TE and developing never struck them. A trade for Shockey is idiotic. We have a team that performs well together and doesn't blame anyone person for the loss. With Shockey you will have that. What if Brees fails to get him the ball throughout the first half? Shockey will ***** him out in a pre-game interview. Does that bode well for team chemistry?

I respect Shockey, I do, and I think he's a good player but do I want my team to trade our 2nd round pick for him? No. He's injured too often, is too much of a locker room cancer, and bitches too much. If our GM had half a brain he'd let the idea die. Sure, he can crunch numbers but trading for a guy who won't be the same and will tear your team apart? C'mon. You gotta be kidding me. It seems that Mickey Loomis doesn't even watch football and just casually pays attention to it. That's probably why we're only going after big name guys. It doesn't matter that their injured. Oh, they have an injury concern? **** it. Sign them! ******* moron.
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Well I'd just like to say that NO is being stupid, they should really just be offering to switch 2nds and give us a 3rd, that way they could still have some ammo to move up.
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"Not too high on the whole Shockey thing" is a vast understatement for me.

Good organizations take smart risks with certain injured players. The Saints did that with Drew Brees and it paid off tremendously. But he was operated on and rehabbed by the best sports medicine doctor in the United States, Dr. James Andrews. It seems, however, that we are going overboard with trying to trade for and sign big name players coming off big injuries. Jonathan Vilma (who I fully expect to recuperate 100%) and Dan Morgan are the two latest that we're going to try and rely on. Vilma I'm sure will do fine but Morgan is one more hit away from living the rest of his life in a wheelchair and eating his meals through a straw. Now we're trying to trade a 2nd round pick for a guy who will NEVER be the same again after coming off a very significant injury.

There is no way, no ******* way that Shockey is able to perform as well as he did after having his leg broken. I don't see why the Saints are so gung-ho to trade for him in the first place. I guess the idea of drafting a TE and developing never struck them. A trade for Shockey is idiotic. We have a team that performs well together and doesn't blame anyone person for the loss. With Shockey you will have that. What if Brees fails to get him the ball throughout the first half? Shockey will ***** him out in a pre-game interview. Does that bode well for team chemistry?

I respect Shockey, I do, and I think he's a good player but do I want my team to trade our 2nd round pick for him? No. He's injured too often, is too much of a locker room cancer, and bitches too much. If our GM had half a brain he'd let the idea die. Sure, he can crunch numbers but trading for a guy who won't be the same and will tear your team apart? C'mon. You gotta be kidding me. It seems that Mickey Loomis doesn't even watch football and just casually pays attention to it. That's probably why we're only going after big name guys. It doesn't matter that their injured. Oh, they have an injury concern? **** it. Sign them! ******* moron.
Nice to see someone else taking the time to write in depth about why we shouldn't trade for Shockey. I just didn't have the time to do that earlier. Still trying to finish up some schoolwork before the Draft starts :)
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Worse comes to worse we keep Shockey, and try to increase his role as a pass reciever. Now with Boss, Mathews, and Johnson coming back, someone should be able to block on the otherwise. So I wouldn't mind seeing an increase of TE concept plays for both Boss and Shockey.
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Right now i want to trade shockey... we really dont need him in the passing game, in the running game we will miss him, but we could always get John Carlson.
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