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Old 04-26-2008, 09:39 AM    (permalink
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Right now i want to trade shockey... we really dont need him in the passing game, in the running game we will miss him, but we could always get John Carlson.
While we don't Need him, he is still a weapon that we can utilize. Having said that he also has as much value as a blocking TE to go along with pass recieving. Trading him away is stupid in my opinion. All he wants is an increase role. Now with 3 TEs on our roster excluding Shockey, we can find a way of getting him the ball.
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So this is dead I guess since the Saints picked at 40?
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its dead unless we get what we are asking for in a future first round pick, whether it be from saints, tampa, or seattle
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So this is dead I guess since the Saints picked at 40?
Yep. Unless Reese & Loomis start talking after the draft, the deal seems dead.
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Yep. Unless Reese & Loomis start talking after the draft, the deal seems dead.
Tracy Porter and a 2009 first rounder for shockey would make me content, even though I love Shockey.
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Tracy Porter and a 2009 first rounder for shockey would make me content, even though I love Shockey.
Lawlz. Um, how about... no?
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Tracy Porter and a 2009 first rounder for shockey would make me content, even though I love Shockey.
yea doubt that would happen, i dont think peyton would give up Roman Harper or Tracy Porter, both are his guys and he reached a little to ensure he got both of them.

I dont think this trade will go down unless the saints see something in shockey that would make them trade a 1st. or if they are horrible on offense. If shockey was traded to you then i think that run offense would really benefit, the passing offense as well.

If it doesnt happen before the trade deadline, i dont think it will ever happen.
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Tracy Porter was not a reach.
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Na it sounds good to me. You know the saints want to make that trade.
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i wasnt really directing the reach part toward Porter, but valuewise it was a bit of a reach.
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i wasnt really directing the reach part toward Porter, but valuewise it was a bit of a reach.
Eh. Scott had him going at #50, he went at #40. Not really a reach imo.

Joe Flacco? Sam Baker? Yeah.
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10 picks is still a bit of a reach, but yes nothing comparable to Baker or Flacco
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Baker was ranked at #32 by Mayock, #33 by Scott. And that was before the big run on tackles. He was picked at #21. He was never going to make it to #34 once the top 5 tackles had gone by #19. It was a bit of a need-reach, but I think it's being overplayed massively by some.
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I guess I liked Porter more than most because I thought that pick was huge for the saints.

As for Baker I understand that pick aswell, was he the 21st best pick in this draft? No, but he was the 6th best LT in this draft and so I understand the pick.
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This might still have some legs to it...

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Shockey gets his ring and runs haha
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I do believe a TE like Shockey would be the last missing piece to the Saints Offense, but I'm not willing to give up a 1st round pick for him and I'm not sure the Giants would take anything less at this point. Who knows.
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It wouldn't be the worst value a team has gotten when trading their 1st round pick for a receiving threat recently.
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Man this shockey thing still isn't dead yet. I am curious, however, to see what happens when training camp rolls around.
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ok i understand that payton really seems to love shockey ( for whatever reasons , since he doesnt fit his standarts ) but its annoying to read that the saints are in desperate need for a receiving TE every year. just look at drew brees stats and the passing offense in a whole , i dont see there a big need. we are loaded with receiving talent , and our most constant TE the last half decade was lamont hall a through and through blocking TE.

before giants fans bash me : i know he "can" do block very well. but telling everyone that he is used incorrectly while having about 800y receiving yards is a little over the hill. what do he want ? 1500y and 20 TD ? if thats the answer i can guarantee you guys he will be lost in our system. there are two up and comming young Studs on WR , a Speedster in the slot , 3 RBs who catch the ball very well. campbell as a good blocker and a solid receiver. karney a good FB and very versatile . nothing against talent on TE but not this headcase and please not for this price.

payton didnt want to spend more than a 2nd rounder on draft day and now that the giants seems to be desperate in moving shockey away , i don´t see the price will go up , more down . but thats just me.
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ok i understand that payton really seems to love shockey ( for whatever reasons , since he doesnt fit his standarts ) but its annoying to read that the saints are in desperate need for a receiving TE every year. just look at drew brees stats and the passing offense in a whole , i dont see there a big need. we are loaded with receiving talent , and our most constant TE the last half decade was lamont hall a through and through blocking TE.

before giants fans bash me : i know he "can" do block very well. but telling everyone that he is used incorrectly while having about 800y receiving yards is a little over the hill. what do he want ? 1500y and 20 TD ? if thats the answer i can guarantee you guys he will be lost in our system. there are two up and comming young Studs on WR , a Speedster in the slot , 3 RBs who catch the ball very well. campbell as a good blocker and a solid receiver. karney a good FB and very versatile . nothing against talent on TE but not this headcase and please not for this price.

payton didnt want to spend more than a 2nd rounder on draft day and now that the giants seems to be desperate in moving shockey away , i don´t see the price will go up , more down . but thats just me.


Obviously Payton doesn't agree with you, thats the point your missing...You keep saying how the Saints TE's needs to block first, and the reason Shockey is going there is to be utilized in the passing game and not as much blocking.
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Obviously Payton doesn't agree with you, thats the point your missing...You keep saying how the Saints TE's needs to block first, and the reason Shockey is going there is to be utilized in the passing game and not as much blocking.
no you dídn´t read it all.

i said : the TEs has to block also. its in the nature of things , we go out with a lot of 3 RB sets combined with a lot of 4 WR sets also, payton can be creative. but we have not only the quantity in the backfield but also the salary there. it would be very stupid to share the touches between lets say reggie and shock. we re-constructured deuce´s contract , so he will be just back to be atleast a 10 touches guy , pierre thomas is on the rise and everyone here is looking forward to reggies real break-out. meachem is there , colston , miller has a motor , patten had a real solid year , devery is back for the deep balls. i never mind talent on offense, but shock has to understand that its very probable getting fewer touches as in new york

i believe he is a nasty blocker if he want to. but complaining about getting used wrong while having receiver-like numbers is very strange. that said , i doubt he will get more with the saints. drew brees doenst have a favourite target and the stories about loving TEs is laughable since gates seems to be the only legit target in SD for a while. brees showed that he prefers to spread the passes , with a little emphasis on colston and we are building a running game , we added more beef to the OL , every year since payton arrived , so at first the dissapointed Running game has to be used correctly.
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He can be used alot more in the passing game. Problem is we basically use Shockey in blocking for our bread and butter run play. He actually is vital for it, and when he went down our running game, mainly Jacobs had issues running power concept because Boss had trouble sealing the edge.

But in terms of passing attack, he def. could have been used more like he was under Payton. More TE screens and basically getting the ball in his hands so he can do stuff. Now it's a credit to Shockey that he still had good stats even though other guys on this team got fed the ball. We throw to everyone on our offense, but we certainly have room to get him involved even more than we are.
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