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Old 05-01-2008, 10:09 PM    (permalink
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The bottom line: D-Mac could put up 1500 and it still wouldn't justify passing on Glenn Dorsey.
Well, we passed on Dorsey the moment we gave Kelly $18 million guaranteed and committed to him at 3 technique.
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THE RAIDERS AVERAGED 4.8YPC running BEHIND GALLERY
You want the stats Here they are
Maybe that comment wasn't for you Smart guy.......

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...H_MDL_YDS.html
You need to have some familiarity with the metadata you're using. SI doesn't chart every play, unlike FO. So there are runs that weren't charted there. They also don't make any adjustments, so an O-line that has a Running Back lacking in breakaway speed get penalized. Also, SI uses a three phase breakdown. Runs off end or tackle are classified as left or right, depending on the direction. Runs off guard or center are classified as middle runs. Once again, make sure your info's correct.
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In seven of the past 10 years, Knapp has coached three different quarterbacks to the Pro Bowl: Michael Vick in 2004 and 2005; Jeff Garcia in 2000, 2001, and 2002; and Steve Young in 1997 and 1998.
Knapp has coached a quarterback to the Pro Bowl in seven out of his 12 years in the NFL-Michael Vick, 2004 and 2005; Jeff Garcia, 2000, 2001, 2002; and Steve Young, 1997 and 1998.
What do those three QBs have in common?

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This is ridiculous... What about Rashard Mendenhall... he's going to run for 1500 yards, and Willie Parker is going to run for 1500 more..
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im a raider fan and right now you have to pick Peterson he is just a beast and honeslty his last season peterson showed how he is the most explosive back since bo jackson. Very similar in skill set but the style of running can destroy a back in the future thats the biggest problem with AD.

As for better prospects coming in the draft i think Mcfadden is slightly higher not because of his skill set which is elite status already but mainly has to do with the concerns of ADs health and if he can stay healthy with his style of running. While Peterson is stronger, tougher, and can run between the tackles better , Peterson is faster and more explosive overall not by much.

Mcfadden will do great in the raiders offense 1000+ yards this year is very easily obtainable for him. People knock on the raiders offensive of line but you have to remember most people have a tainted opinion of the raiders offensive live due to art shell and walsh's era which was horrendous. I do have to say since we have gone to ZBS and Cable as our OLINE couch we have improved in strides and our offensive of line which did an amazing job in the running game doesnt get the credit it deserves comparatively to what it was just a year before. It also will improve ZBS is a proven scheme in the nfl and it will show in the raiders running this year.

So as i said before do i think Mcfadden will out produce AD's rookie year highly doubt it, or will he out due Peterson's year this year highly doubt it unless peterson's get injured which is still a possibility due to his injury concerns. I do think mcfadden will have a stellar rookie season and possibly get a chance to obtain OROY due to the raiders running scheme. We also cant really assume who will be better overall in the nfl until few years have passed just to early to say but Peterson has put the mark up very high.
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Yes, Peterson’s best college year was when he was a freshman. After that his rushing stats decreased every year. McFadden on the other hand his rushing #s increased by about 300 yards a season after his freshman year. I like the fact the McFadden #s were improving every year and well AD #s weren’t. I'm taking the more consistent player in McFadden.

Yes, Peterson`s 1,925 total rushing yards are more then McFadden ever put up, but not by much. McFadden’s 2007 career 325 attempts, 1,830 rushing yards, 5.6 avg, & 16 TD’s. So basically AD ran for 95 more yards with 15 more carries the McFadden, but McFadden had 1 more TD then Peterson. Then if you were to include receiving yards, and passing yards McFadden had more total yards I believe. Then you add the fact that McFadden plays in the SEC conference which most people believe have the best defenses in college football.


It should be noted that McFadden destroyed Glen Dorsey’s #1 rated defense in the country for 206 rushing yards & 3tds.

How is McFadden more consistent? If Peterson had not been injured he would have easily surpassed McFadden's numbers in every season.

Yeah, McFadden destroyed the LSU defense, only to end his career against Missouri when him and Felix Jones got completely shutdown by what would best be described as a slightly above average Missouri defense. But Tony Temple put up 280+ yards that game so I guess he is going to be an all star or something, considering success in college translates to success in the NFL in your opinion.

If you want to go strictly off of numbers then Chiefs 3rd round pick Jamaal Charles had as good of if not a better season than McFadden running the ball. I suppose he is the better player then.
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Well, we passed on Dorsey the moment we gave Kelly $18 million guaranteed and committed to him at 3 technique.
Two wrongs don't make a right though.
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How is McFadden more consistent? If Peterson had not been injured he would have easily surpassed McFadden's numbers in every season.

Yeah, McFadden destroyed the LSU defense, only to end his career against Missouri when him and Felix Jones got completely shutdown by what would best be described as a slightly above average Missouri defense. But Tony Temple put up 280+ yards that game so I guess he is going to be an all star or something, considering success in college translates to success in the NFL in your opinion.

If you want to go strictly off of numbers then Chiefs 3rd round pick Jamaal Charles had as good of if not a better season than McFadden running the ball. I suppose he is the better player then.
Lets see... he is more consistent because every year he put up bigger #s then the next. While AD had a big dropoff after his freshman year he went from 1,925 rushing yards in 04 to 1,108 rushing yards in 05. Thats 800 rushing yards less, and 06 his #s dropped again. AD just can't stay healthy to save his life. With the freak injuries and his running style hes not going to last very long in the league. Also how do you know if he wasn`t injured he would get more yards then McFadden? Seems like all guess work to me.

Let me ask you a question. Do you think McFadden played in the tougher conference? What do you think when you hear people saying that SEC has the best defenses in the country?
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Two wrongs don't make a right though.
I think someone is a little nervous that the Raiders took McFadden.
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How is McFadden more consistent? If Peterson had not been injured he would have easily surpassed McFadden's numbers in every season.

Yeah, McFadden destroyed the LSU defense, only to end his career against Missouri when him and Felix Jones got completely shutdown by what would best be described as a slightly above average Missouri defense. But Tony Temple put up 280+ yards that game so I guess he is going to be an all star or something, considering success in college translates to success in the NFL in your opinion.

If you want to go strictly off of numbers then Chiefs 3rd round pick Jamaal Charles had as good of if not a better season than McFadden running the ball. I suppose he is the better player then.


in mcfadden defense, i will have to say mcfadden was much more consistent then Peterson.... injuries are calculated into consistency thus on that principle he was more productive and more consistent. Secondly while peterson was alone in the backfield for the most part, mcfadden had to share carries with felix jones and also was under the center being the QB at times. Also Mcfadden was in a much tougher division then Peterson not by much. With all said and done is a big reason why coming out of college mcfadden was a better prospect then Peterson. Not taking anything away from Peterson's college career but injuries and being suspended for grades never allowed him to truely show what kind of numbers he could of put out, with that said would of , should of, could of i guess u can say consistency was peterson's biggest problem in college even though he still put up great numbers. BTW Reggie Bush was a bigger prospect coming out then both of them but it doesnt always translates to the nfl field.
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AD slipped to the 6th pick because of injury concerns. In his rookie season, he was great for 9 games then guess what, injuries sidelined him for 2 games and made him pretty ineffective for 5 others, costing Minny a playoff spot.
Until AD puts together an injury free season, I'll take McFadden to have the greater impact. Love AD as a runner but face it folks, he cannot stay healthy the last 3 football seasons.
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AD slipped to the 6th pick because of injury concerns. In his rookie season, he was great for 9 games then guess what, injuries sidelined him for 2 games and made him pretty ineffective for 5 others, costing Minny a playoff spot.
Until AD puts together an injury free season, I'll take McFadden to have the greater impact. Love AD as a runner but face it folks, he cannot stay healthy the last 3 football seasons.
I agree that his violent running style invites more than his share of injuries, but what you're blaming for Minny's falling short of the playoffs is the very thing that had them in contention in the first place.

Considering that all men bleed, I'll take my chances with the record-holding proven commodity.
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I agree that his violent running style invites more than his share of injuries, but what you're blaming for Minny's falling short of the playoffs is the very thing that had them in contention in the first place.

Considering that all men bleed, I'll take my chances with the record-holding proven commodity.
The only thing AD has proven is that he can Play great for a Few Games then is Guaranteed to get injured.
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This is ridiculous... What about Rashard Mendenhall... he's going to run for 1500 yards, and Willie Parker is going to run for 1500 more..
your ridiculous if you really think thats going to happen
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I just don't think DMC will ever be on AD's level. Ever.
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I think someone is a little nervous that the Raiders took McFadden.
It's not me. LT gashes the Raiders every year and they passed on the best D-Tackle prospect in half a decade for another runner.
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In terms of rushing yards AD will probably have more. Fargas will probably be the starter going into the season.McFadden will still get alot of carries but not near enough to compete with AD.Unless Fargas gets injured AD will get alot more rushing yards.
In terms of all purpose yards McFadden could get more.He may be returning kicks and punts for us this year.As well as lining up at WR.
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In terms of rushing yards AD will probably have more. Fargas will probably be the starter going into the season.McFadden will still get alot of carries but not near enough to compete with AD.Unless Fargas gets injured AD will get alot more rushing yards.
In terms of all purpose yards McFadden could get more.He may be returning kicks and punts for us this year.As well as lining up at WR.
You forget that that the Vikins also have Taylor. Peterson won't have many more yards then McFadden but he will b much more productive. That is if he doesn't get injured. I will give him one more yar before I call him injury prone.
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It's not me. LT gashes the Raiders every year and they passed on the best D-Tackle prospect in half a decade for another runner.
Although Dorsey was a great prospect he wasnt the run stuffer we wanted.We already have Tommy Kelly playing UT we dont need another UT.
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You forget that that the Vikins also have Taylor. Peterson won't have many more yards then McFadden but he will b much more productive. That is if he doesn't get injured. I will give him one more yar before I call him injury prone.
The difference between Taylor and Fargas is that Fargas will start over McFadden where as AD will start over Taylor.
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Two wrongs don't make a right though.
Unless of course Terdell Sands actually plays well this season which makes your theory absolute crap.
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The difference between Taylor and Fargas is that Fargas will start over McFadden where as AD will start over Taylor.
Fair point. If you look at it though last year Taylor started over AD for the first few games and AD was getting benched a lot in the 2nd and yet he still put up monster numbers. This thread is about who will have a better year this year though so I guess that is irrelevant.
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It's not me. LT gashes the Raiders every year and they passed on the best D-Tackle prospect in half a decade for another runner.
Dorsey couldn't even stop McFadden in college. What makes you think he is going to stop LT and others in the NFL?
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The difference between Taylor and Fargas is that Fargas will start over McFadden where as AD will start over Taylor.
I do believe Taylor started the season as a starter, but eventually Peterson just won it outright with his play. Either way, it doesn't matter who starts, McFadden or Peterson could come off the bench and touch the ball more.
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Dorsey couldn't even stop McFadden in college. What makes you think he is going to stop LT and others in the NFL?
That's a bullcrap argument. So because the LSU defense couldn't stop McFadden that means Dorsey is responsible for the entire defenses lack of success and that he won't be able to stop the run in the NFL? Well I guess since McFadden was pretty much shutdown (compared to his other games) in his final game against Missouri that means Missouri's Lorenzo Williams and Ziggy Hood are going to be amazing run stoppers in the NFL. And I guess since Tony Temple put up over 280 yards on Arkansas that DT Marcus Harrison will never be able to stop the run in the NFL.
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