Best by Position: QB - Page 2

BeerBaron · 05-04-2008, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by neko4

so is it safe to say the Lions win this and we can move on to what should be another blowout

i would say so.....

neko4 · 05-04-2008, 07:14 PM

And the winner is Detroit!

regoob2 · 05-04-2008, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy_Chris

How could the bears get consideration since they have won more than 0 career games but yet the Vikings don't count?

The packers QB have never started a game. Viking QBs suck.

Crazy_Chris · 05-04-2008, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by regoob2

The packers QB have never started a game. Viking QBs suck.

Oh and the bears QBs don't?

BeerBaron · 05-04-2008, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy_Chris

Oh and the bears QBs don't?

they suck all the way to a division title and a superbowl birth.....

Crazy_Chris · 05-04-2008, 07:22 PM

What the hell does that have to do with anything? That is completely irrelevant to how good a QB is.

The Bears QBs suck the Vikings QBs suck but according to regoob the Vikings shouldn't count because their QBs suck.

BeerBaron · 05-04-2008, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy_Chris

What the hell does that have to do with anything? That is completely irrelevant to how good a QB is.

The Bears QBs suck the Vikings QBs suck but according to regoob the Vikings shouldn't count because their QBs suck.

how much a QB wins is irrelevant to how good they are? is that what you really just said?

regoob2 · 05-04-2008, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy_Chris

Oh and the bears QBs don't?

Not nearly as much are you serious?

Crazy_Chris · 05-04-2008, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

how much a QB wins is irrelevant to how good they are? is that what you really just said?

Winning the Division and getting to the Super Bowl with an absolutly dominant defense and a good running game is irrealvant to the the QBs in the conversation.

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Originally Posted by regoob2

Not nearly as much are you serious?

What the hell do you mean not nearly as much? The situation is so bad they can't decide which of the 2 crappy QBs is the worse one.

BeerBaron · 05-04-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy_Chris

Winning the Division and getting to the Super Bowl with an absolutly dominant defense and a good running game is irrealvant to the the QBs in the conversation.

well why couldn't tavaris do it? they had a fantastic run game last year and an incredible run defense

regoob2 · 05-04-2008, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy_Chris

Winning the Division and getting to the Super Bowl with an absolutly dominant defense and a good running game is irrealvant to the the QBs in the conversation.

What the hell do you mean not nearly as much? The situation is so bad they can't decide which of the 2 crappy QBs is the worse one.

Grossman and Orton are both better than Tavaris Jackson. Jackson is the worst starting QB in NFL. We have faith in both these guys that's why we didnt take JDB and you traded for him.

Crazy_Chris · 05-04-2008, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

well why couldn't tavaris do it? they had a fantastic run game last year and an incredible run defense

As much as I love the Vikings Defense there is absolutly no way you can compare them to the bears defense in those years as I tried to stress in the post that defense was absolutly dominant.

regoob2 · 05-04-2008, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy_Chris

As much as I love the Vikings Defense there is absolutly no way you can compare them to the bears defense in those years as I tried to stress in the post that defense was absolutly dominant.

The Bears D was much better than the Vikes but Gross still played well in the Playoffs.

Smokey Joe · 05-04-2008, 07:34 PM

I don't quite fully understand the question... are you asking who has the best starter, or which team has the best depth/situation. If it's the former, it's the Lions. If it's the later, it's the Packers, IMO.

neko4 · 05-04-2008, 07:36 PM

depth, though starter should be a huge factor

Crazy_Chris · 05-04-2008, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by regoob2

Grossman and Orton are both better than Tavaris Jackson. Jackson is the worst starting QB in NFL. We have faith in both these guys that's why we didnt take JDB and you traded for him.

Oh please Kyle Orton is not a better QB than Tarvaris Jackson. Rex Grossmen can atleast have a case since he has had games were he has looked like a very good NFL QB. I already went over this in another thread but Jackson is a better QB than Orton

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Originally Posted by Crazy_Chris

Lol you gotta be kidding me, it's actually a pretty sad arguement since the stats are both bad...

Career stats(Keep in mind Tarvaris has played in 2 less games and started 4 less games than orton)

Completetion percentage
Orton:52% Jackson:58.1%

Yards:
Orton:2,347 Jackson: 2,386

Yards per game:
Orton 130.4 Jackson: 149.1

YPA:
Orton: 5.2 Jackson: 6.4

Pass TD:
Orton:12 Jackson:11

Totals TD(Rushing + Passing)
Orton:12 Jackson:15

Interceptions:
Orton: 15 Jackson: 16

Fumbles:
Orton: 14 Jackson: 9

Total Turnovers(Fumbles + INTS)
Orton: 29 Jackson: 25

QB Rating
Orton: 62.2 Jackson: 69

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/for...t=19153&page=2

Smokey Joe · 05-04-2008, 07:40 PM

why do people think Jackson is garbage as a NFL QB? He is entering his 3rd year out of FCS ball. He's still got plenty of time to develop.

regoob2 · 05-04-2008, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy_Chris

Oh please Kyle Orton is not a better QB than Tarvaris Jackson. Rex Grossmen can atleast have a case since he has had games were he has looked like a very good NFL QB. I already went over this in another thread but Jackson is a better QB than Orton

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/for...t=19153&page=2

What about wins.

regoob2 · 05-04-2008, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Smokey Joe

why do people think Jackson is garbage as a NFL QB? He is entering his 3rd year out of FCS ball. He's still got plenty of time to develop.

He has potential but he has looked terrible in every game I've seen.

Zbikowski_9 · 05-04-2008, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by regoob2

What about wins.

That is such a lame argument. Wins have way too many external factors - such as the suporting cast and opponents. Orton did not win games - the Bears did.
The D and Hesters big play ability took them to the Superbowl not their QBs. If they had a good Qb that might have left with the trophy

regoob2 · 05-04-2008, 08:06 PM

Well Tavaris won't have any excuses this year cause they have a real good offense now.

Zbikowski_9 · 05-04-2008, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by regoob2

Well Tavaris won't have any excuses this year cause they have a real good offense now.

True that. and i think he has had enough time to develop into an adequate qb. I think success this year is if he limits mistakes and makes the occasional big play.
He still has a high ceiling and i dont expect him to be finished developing for for a while yet.