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Old 07-09-2008, 03:52 PM    (permalink
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10. Everson Walls and Dennis Thurman - Dallas Cowboys.

9. Albert Lewis and Kevin Ross - Kansas City Chiefs.

8. Willie Brown and Skip Thomas - Oakland Raiders.

7. Deion Sanders along with anyone - various teams.

6. J.T. Thomas - Pittsburgh Steelers.

5. Dick Lebeau and "The Hall of Famers" - Detroit Lions.

4. Herb Adderley and Bob Jeter - Green Bay Packers.

3. Ronnie Lott and Eric Wright - San Francisco 49ers.

2. Hanford Dixon and Frank Minnifield - Cleveland Browns.

1. Lester Hayes and Mike Haynes - Oakland Raiders.

Debate and discuss.

Ness, you need to change that to Mel Blount and JT Thomas.



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Think Al Davis was having visions of Hayes/Haynes in his head when he acquired Deangelo Hall to pair with Nnamdi Asomugha? I'd say so. (and maybe Bo Jackson with Darren McFadden, etcetera.)

Asomugha and Hall being the best starting corner duo today, I'm sure we can all agree.
Could just as easily be Newman/Jones
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Could just as easily be Newman/Jones
They're not even 2nd best.
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DeAngelo Hall allowed 1 TD last season. Nnamdi allowed 9 (?) catches last season. This is a different combo then Bailey and Bly, where Bly had been doing ok, but was just assumed to do well because he fits the scheme.
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They're not even 2nd best.
If Pacman returns to his presuspended form, they are second best. And I hope you are not trying to insinuate that it is the Eagles??
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If Pacman returns to his presuspended form, they are second best. And I hope you are not trying to insinuate that it is the Eagles??
Why not? The only duo I'd take over the eagles is Asomougha and Hall, and I'd take no trio over the eagles. And if someone tries to make me into a homer by saying that, that's pretty sad.
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Like I said, if Pacman goes back to form, he and Newman are better than Samuel and Sheppard. I'd take Denver and Chargers over the Eagles.

It probably has something to do with Asante, to me, being overrated as heck.
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Why not? The only duo I'd take over the eagles is Asomougha and Hall, and I'd take no trio over the eagles. And if someone tries to make me into a homer by saying that, that's pretty sad.
there are many other CB duo I would take before the Eagles. Nothing against them, but I think Samuels is an average CB who got over payed by the Eagles.
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Think Al Davis was having visions of Hayes/Haynes in his head when he acquired Deangelo Hall to pair with Nnamdi Asomugha? I'd say so. (and maybe Bo Jackson with Darren McFadden, etcetera.)

Asomugha and Hall being the best starting corner duo today, I'm sure we can all agree.
I would disagree. It's certainly possible, but they haven't even played together yet. Teams will have to throw at them more now. Maybe they'll step up, or maybe they won't be as impressive.
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Fair point, guys. I may have jumped the gun.

I certainly wouldn't count Adam Jones fully yet, however. He's been away from football for over a year, I can't expect him to jump back in in Pro Bowl shutdown form immediately.
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Champ Bailey and Dre Bly. People thought they would be dynamite, but it didn't work out as planned. Mainly due to no help from the front seven, but regardless it didn't work out.

So no you can't agree when they haven't played a single down yet.
Or the fact that people were just deluded into thinking that Dre Bly was actually good, when that hasn't been the case for 3-4 years.
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Or the fact that people were just deluded into thinking that Dre Bly was actually good, when that hasn't been the case for 3-4 years.
Well he's also been on the Lions for that amount of time. In that same span I don't remember Detroit ever having a legitimate pass rush.
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Ness, you need to change that to Mel Blount and JT Thomas.
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Fair point, guys. I may have jumped the gun.

I certainly wouldn't count Adam Jones fully yet, however. He's been away from football for over a year, I can't expect him to jump back in in Pro Bowl shutdown form immediately.
I would argue that Adam Jones was never really at the Pro Bowl level. His physicality oscillated from aggressive to laughably soft and his coverage was inconsistent. He was a great punt returner and he obviously has gobs of talent, but at no point in his first two seasons with the Titans was I ever convinced he was anywhere near that elite level.

On a team like the Cowboys with a great supporting cast and good coaching he might well fulfill that potential. But people's opinion of Jones as a cover corner is inflated.
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I would argue that Adam Jones was never really at the Pro Bowl level. His physicality oscillated from aggressive to laughably soft and his coverage was inconsistent. He was a great punt returner and he obviously has gobs of talent, but at no point in his first two seasons with the Titans was I ever convinced he was anywhere near that elite level.

On a team like the Cowboys with a great supporting cast and good coaching he might well fulfill that potential. But people's opinion of Jones as a cover corner is inflated.
I actually just picked up the 2008 football prospectus and although some people on here don't like analyzing with stats, Adam Jones was one of the top DB's in the league prior to his suspension based off of statistics alone. He had one of the highest success rates in terms of shutting down his receiver.

I actually got the idea to mention him and Newman together as one of the top, if not the top, duos because the book itself eludes to it.

It says Newman has played at a consistent level throughout his career and if Adam returns to form, they would definately be among the top... Statistically speaking.

I'm not overly worried about him getting back to what he was either. Plenty of guys are out of football for a year due to injury and come back fine. He wasn't even injured and has been able to maintain at least some form of a workout schedule while out. Early reports have been great. TC should tell us a lot.

EDIT: Ill check when I get home tonight to see the actual amount of times Aso was targeted and how many completions he gave up in case anyone is interested. Off the top of my head I believe he only gave up 11 completions on 38 attempts, which is crazy.

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All I know is that when I saw Jones play as a Titan I typically went from being rather impressed to raising my eyebrow very quickly (and back again). No doubt he had his moments, but there were other times where I had no idea what he was doing. I'd be interested to see what Prospectus has in terms of stats to say about Adam.
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All I know is that when I saw Jones play as a Titan I typically went from being rather impressed to raising my eyebrow very quickly (and back again). No doubt he had his moments, but there were other times where I had no idea what he was doing. I'd be interested to see what Prospectus has in terms of stats to say about Adam.
Ill throw up his entire 2006 line when I get home. Do you know what all of the categories stand for or do I need to give some explanations?
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Ill throw up his entire 2006 line when I get home. Do you know what all of the categories stand for or do I need to give some explanations?
So long as you give me some basis as to where his numbers rated in comparison to the rest of the league, I think I have enough experience with Football Outsiders to figure it out.
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So long as you give me some basis as to where his numbers rated in comparison to the rest of the league, I think I have enough experience with Football Outsiders to figure it out.
Give me a couple other corners you want to see his numbers up against. Exclude Aso though, because he is a freak and they had to tweak his numbers just to make it so he could be included since he wasn't thrown at enough to qualify as a starter.
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Give me a couple other corners you want to see his numbers up against. Exclude Aso though, because he is a freak and they had to tweak his numbers just to make it so he could be included since he wasn't thrown at enough to qualify as a starter.
Whatever you think makes the most convincing case for Jones will be fine.
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Whatever you think makes the most convincing case for Jones will be fine.
Ill throw up champ. asante, trufant, d hall?
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throw up Ike Taylor's numbers as well. I want to see how he matches up numbers wise. If ya don't mind.
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no prob. I might not put trufants because I dont know if anyone cares about him
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no prob. I might not put trufants because I dont know if anyone cares about him
thats a good possibility.
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if there is anyone else you might think is a good measuring stick, let me know.
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