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Old 07-15-2008, 10:56 AM    (permalink
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6 years $39 million. Not bad.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3488333

Cowboys have definitely been busy this offseason.
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They must be in cap hell sooner or later...
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Essentially the same overall numbers, at least reported, as Gibril Wilson.

Bit of a calculated risk by Dallas, but they've had more than one of those this offseason.
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Once you look into the situation its not nearly as bad as public perception makes it seem, we are close to the cap, but nowhere near cap hell what so ever...We re negotiated alot of deals that opened up alot of space nobody talks about(Davis and Romo), and again I fully expect Canty to be locked up at some point during the season.
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This is ridiculous. I've already said just because Oakland is stupid and severely overpaid for Wilson doesn't mean jerry should do the same. Kerry Rhodes is better than all of them and recently signed on for 33.5

I'm a bit disappointed in this.

I know our cap can't be all that bad, because we have DeMarcus Ware coming up next year and Jerry certainly wouldn't do anything to jeopardize the monster contract he is going to give him. I'm also predicting Anthony Henry, Roy Williams, and Greg Ellis are looking at their last years on the team -- that should open up a little wiggle room.
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This is ridiculous. I've already said just because Oakland is stupid and severely overpaid for Wilson doesn't mean jerry should do the same. Kerry Rhodes is better than all of them and recently signed on for 33.5

I'm a bit disappointed in this.

I know our cap can't be all that bad, because we have DeMarcus Ware coming up next year and Jerry certainly wouldn't do anything to jeopardize the monster contract he is going to give him. I'm also predicting Anthony Henry, Roy Williams, and Greg Ellis are looking at their last years on the team -- that should open up a little wiggle room.
Most definately, guys like that are good as gone, Spears possibly also unless he wants to take a pay cut, and we will be getting rid of Glenn's salary in a year also...I don't know why your upset about all these signings, had we let him hit the market our safeties would of been the worst in the league, I had been telling you from the get go that we intended on keeping him for the future, that was the purpose of his original deal being 1 year to see what he did, if he performed he was going to stay, he made the pro bowl, the contract isn't bad at all...Our cap space is better then alot of teams, half of these deals opened up more immediate space then we originally had anyway.
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Most definately, guys like that are good as gone, Spears possibly also unless he wants to take a pay cut, and we will be getting rid of Glenn's salary in a year also...I don't know why your upset about all these signings, had we let him hit the market our safeties would of been the worst in the league, I had been telling you from the get go that we intended on keeping him for the future, that was the purpose of his original deal being 1 year to see what he did, if he performed he was going to stay, he made the pro bowl, the contract isn't bad at all...Our cap space is better then alot of teams, half of these deals opened up more immediate space then we originally had anyway.
I think spears is definately relegated to bench duty this year. He'll be part of the rotation, but Jason Hatcher had equal sacks, 3 times as many hits, and 3 times as many QB pressures as Spears and only got about 35% of the amount of PT spears got.

Spears, Ellis, Roy, and Henry are all old and/or overrated by cowboys fans. Get those losers off the field. The only one I like is Henry and he can't stay healthy.

Ellis is holding back Spencer from being a real force opposite Ware. The guy truly looks like he can play. And Spears is holding us back from finding out what Jason Hatcher is. Roy, well... it's Roy.

EDIT: I'm glad we kept him, I just think we could have got him for like 35mil. It doesn't sound like a huge difference. But every little bit helps. A few mil overspent here and overspent there is what puts teams into a cap bind.

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if it was any other team, id question how they plan on keeping Ware long term. but this is Jerry Jones, and the one thing that Jones knows is his finances. theyll be fine, he'll work his magic to keep all his guys under contract.


Jones knows his money, and im sure he's planned this out. he knows what he's doing.
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if it was any other team, id question how they plan on keeping Ware long term. but this is Jerry Jones, and the one thing that Jones knows is his finances. theyll be fine, he'll work his magic to keep all his guys under contract.


Jones knows his money, and im sure he's planned this out. he knows what he's doing.
Or maybe he's banking on not having a salary cap for a season...
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if it was any other team, id question how they plan on keeping Ware long term. but this is Jerry Jones, and the one thing that Jones knows is his finances. theyll be fine, he'll work his magic to keep all his guys under contract.


Jones knows his money, and im sure he's planned this out. he knows what he's doing.
I forgot we've got to sign draft picks too.... This team is going to look really different next year.

I think Columbo is probably on his way out as well unless he wants to play for a **** ton less that he'll garner on the open market.
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Or maybe he's banking on not having a salary cap for a season...
I don't think he would take a risk like that unless he was absolutely sure. Fans would hate Jerry for doing something like that and jeopardizing the team.

I'm pretty sure Stephon Jones is just a cap guru.

I know Romo has already restructured twice since getting his contract last year and leonard davis once in order to create room for other signings.
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Or maybe he's banking on not having a salary cap for a season...
Jerry Jones isn't dumb enough to throw all his eggs in a basket that possibly might not exist.


Even if he hopes for it, im sure he's making his moves with the assumption that if it doesn't happen, he can rework contracts in a way that he can get under the cap.
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Dallas hasn't really been that busy compared to the rest of the NFL. They just steal the headlines. The only new significant FA they brought in was Zach Thomas. We locked up Barber and Hamlin, but that's about it so far.

I really thought Hamlin was going to slip away, but I'm glad he's going to be around for a while. I finally have that sense of mind that Dallas is no longer a "soft" team. Honestly, I've felt the Cowboys were a cream puff for a long time, but with the acquisitions we've made... Ken Hamlin, Zach Thomas, Mike Jenkins, Adam Jones, Tank Johnson... I think we finally have the nastiness to compete with the Steelers.. Jags.. type monster defenses.
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Almost exactly the same as Gibril Wilson's deal. What is everyone else's opinion on how Hamlin compares to Wilson in terms of who is better at what they do?
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6 years $39 million. Not bad.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3488333

Cowboys have definitely been busy this offseason.
Really? How much guaranteed? That's almost Bob Sanders money.
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Whoa, D. Huge money deals to Flozell, Barber, TO, Newman, and Hamlin. Those are all calculated risks.

1. Flozell and TO are no spring chickens, obviously. Newman will be 30 this September, but he still has some good years left in him.
2. Barber plays one of the most unpredictable positions and the 'boys already drafted Felix Jones and Tashard Choice. I would have let Barber walk and invest in the receiving core, especially as I'm not crazy about extending TO.
3. Hamlin looks like a revelation compared to the substandard safeties they've had in recent years, we'll see how good he will be the next few years.
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Really? How much guaranteed? That's almost Bob Sanders money.
Sanders got 5 years/37.5M/19M guaranteed. Higher tier contract for a higher tier player.
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Whoa, D. Huge money deals to Flozell, Barber, TO, Newman, and Hamlin. Those are all calculated risks.

1. Flozell and TO are no spring chickens, obviously. Newman will be 30 this September, but he still has some good years left in him.
2. Barber plays one of the most unpredictable positions and the 'boys already drafted Felix Jones and Tashard Choice. I would have let Barber walk and invest in the receiving core, especially as I'm not crazy about extending TO.
3. Hamlin looks like a revelation compared to the substandard safeties they've had in recent years, we'll see how good he will be the next few years.
Calculated you say? I agree with you 100%. Calculated to win the SB baby!

We're in "WIN NOW" mode and those are "WIN NOW" contracts.

Let Barber walk? In order to spend on a WR corps? Jones and Choice are far far far from proven commodities. Barber is the real deal and heart of the offense. You don't need good WRs to have a winning team. But you do need a good running game. Besides, we spend $ on WRs anyways. TO! :) Now if you ask me if we should've drafted a WR... Yeah sure, I'd agree with that. Did we need to spend $$$ in FA for a WR like Walker? Hell no.
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I agree, but this contract isn't that far off of Sanders's, unless the guarantees are a lot less. If he only got say $12 mil guaranteed, then it's meh, but if they gave him substantial guarantees, I'd call this overpaying.
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I agree, but this contract isn't that far off of Sanders's, unless the guarantees are a lot less. If he only got say $12 mil guaranteed, then it's meh, but if they gave him substantial guarantees, I'd call this overpaying.
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I agree, but this contract isn't that far off of Sanders's, unless the guarantees are a lot less. If he only got say $12 mil guaranteed, then it's meh, but if they gave him substantial guarantees, I'd call this overpaying.
$15M in Guarantees. Dude, you act like Bob Sanders is even better than Hamlin. They're both Pro Bowlers. They both hit extremely hard, except Hamlin has the body to withstand the contact and not miss games like Sanders does. Sanders wishes he was half the ballhawk that Hamlin is. Just because your entire defense relies on Sanders doesn't make him the better player.
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$15M in Guarantees. Dude, you act like Bob Sanders is even better than Hamlin. They're both Pro Bowlers. They both hit extremely hard, except Hamlin has the body to withstand the contact and not miss games like Sanders does. Sanders wishes he was half the ballhawk that Hamlin is. Just because your entire defense relies on Sanders doesn't make him the better player.
LMAO...Ken Hamlin better than the DPOY. You've said some crazy things before D, but this might top them all.
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Dude, you act like Bob Sanders is even better than Hamlin.
Well he is better.
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Calculated you say? I agree with you 100%. Calculated to win the SB baby!

We're in "WIN NOW" mode and those are "WIN NOW" contracts.

Let Barber walk? In order to spend on a WR corps? Jones and Choice are far far far from proven commodities. Barber is the real deal and heart of the offense. You don't need good WRs to have a winning team. But you do need a good running game. Besides, we spend $ on WRs anyways. TO! :) Now if you ask me if we should've drafted a WR... Yeah sure, I'd agree with that. Did we need to spend $$$ in FA for a WR like Walker? Hell no.
I just think that with a top-flight quarterback like Romo, Choice and Jones are more than enough talent at RB imo, I'd rather invest in Ware and the WRs. Give Romo the receiving options and he can shine.

Wide receiver-wise, I would have waited for Roy Williams to have reached free agency soon, or try and pry Anquan Boldin from Arizona. I agree though, this is why I would have liked the Cowboys to draft (Devin Thomas!) or at least trade for a receiver now, to start developing him now and building a dynamic with Romo. By putting it off and depending on what happens, they may reach the point where they have to use free agency instead of the Draft.

But maybe they can pick up some servicable, underrated veterans to help hold the fort. New Orleans locked up David Patten for two years, but Bobby Engram is great and is in his contract year with Seattle. Joe Horn has been brought up already. Or look for guys who haven't panned out in lesser offenses, maybe a guy like Michael Jenkins of the Falcons could do better things in a potent offense such as the one the Cowboys have.

Torry Holt plans on leaving St. Louis in two years, but obviously it's no secret that I'm not a fan of him and wouldn't pay him what he's seeking. TJ Houshmandzadeh will command too much money when he's a FA after this season, I think Chad Johnson actually is the one to stay in Cincy.
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