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Old 12-24-2008, 03:44 PM    (permalink) 
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Im in a draft mood lately.

So while DE isn't exactly a need for us, if for some reason my boy Greg Hardy falls to us, I think we have to take him. You don't pass up on a talent like that. Can you imagine how sick our pass rush would be with him to go along with Tuck, Osi and Kiwi?

Michael Oher is still #1 on my wishlist however. Although he turned me off when i read his interview with Scott. He just sounds kind of dumb. I know its unfair to assume that based on a written interview, but it does concern me.

I know Sintim is a hot name at SAM, and so is Cushing. Whats your thoughts on Malauga?

I don't think he's as highly rated amongst teams as he is on this board. I think people like him as a 3-4 ILB, but he's not a top 10 guy.

I think he'd be great for us at SAM. He's an ox against the run, his lack of instincts will be hidden at SAM, and he's a great blitzer. He'd fit the bill. And who knows, maybe he can pan out at MIKE in the longterm. We could sure use a sledgehammer at MIKE.

Ron Brace is starting to intrigue me as well as an inside guy on our dline.

Im still a Kaluka Maiava fan. I think he's going to be a steal in late rounds for whoever gets him. He'd be a nice depth pick up.
When you watch Mississippi play and see Hardy wreak havoc, do you notice the attention that Peria Jerry gets that helps to open up things for Hardy or do you see Hardy getting by mostly on his own accord? I see it as Jerry being the real star on that DL, as he frequently has to face double teams, but I don't know if I'm wrong by thinking that. It's nice to get different views from what others think.
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peria's the better college player IMO but I don't doubt hardy's ability to refine himself and be an impact player at the next level. Peria helps him, but Hardy plays at such a level where that's only a small part of his success. Plus with tuck, kiwi, osi, robbens, alford and Cofield he won't get double teamed to often here.
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When you watch Mississippi play and see Hardy wreak havoc, do you notice the attention that Peria Jerry gets that helps to open up things for Hardy or do you see Hardy getting by mostly on his own accord? I see it as Jerry being the real star on that DL, as he frequently has to face double teams, but I don't know if I'm wrong by thinking that. It's nice to get different views from what others think.
to be honest, i focus all my attention on Hardy when i watch them. im just impressed with his measurables, motor, and technique. i think that will all translate well at the next level.

he has all he needs to be a premiere player in the NFL. in a good situation, he can realize that potential. he's the kind of guy that will need to go to a good environment to succeed. he's not mature enough to do it on his own without some good veteran leadership guiding him.
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peria's the better college player IMO but I don't doubt hardy's ability to refine himself and be an impact player at the next level. Peria helps him, but Hardy plays at such a level where that's only a small part of his success. Plus with tuck, kiwi, osi, robbens, alford and Cofield he won't get double teamed to often here.
Have you thought of selecting Jerry to replace Robbins or Coefield? IMO, DT could stand to be upgraded more than DE. Jerry is one of the better penetrating DTs in this class and he's equally adept at stopping the run. He's one of my favorite prospects in this draft. I wanted the Cowboys to have a chance at him as a 3-4 DE prospect, but we traded out of Round 1.
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Have you thought of selecting Jerry to replace Robbins or Coefield? IMO, DT could stand to be upgraded more than DE. Jerry is one of the better penetrating DTs in this class and he's equally adept at stopping the run. He's one of my favorite prospects in this draft. I wanted the Cowboys to have a chance at him as a 3-4 DE prospect, but we traded out of Round 1.
we can go either way. its just so much harder finding a DT that can rush the passer like a DE. the bust rate is much higher.

the giants kind of got around that by using DEs on passing downs to get that inside push you want from a penetrating DT. and in our base have solid run stuffers that can penetrate.

it wouldn't shock me to see us take a DT.

however, we love stockpiling DEs. and Kiwi's contract will be up I believe in 2 years. i highly doubt we resign him bc realistically its difficult to keep him, Tuck and Osi money wise.

so i think management wants to develop another DE in the meantime that we can plug right in when Kiwi moves on. thats my guess. thats how we've developed our pass rushers in Osi and Tuck. even kiwi was drafted with the intention of developing him slowly. circumstances caused him to play his rookie season, and then we tried moving him around which effected his development. but he was drafted with the intention of being developed slowly.

i think thats how our management prefers to stockpile our rushers.
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i just realized, that outside of OT, ive never wanted an offensive player in the 1st round.

haha, sometimes my boners for defense get the better of me. WR? who needs a stinkin WR? let's draft another DE!

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Speaking of OT i think we should look into trading for Jason Peters or Khalif Barnes since I've heard that both could not be back on their respective teams. Both have shown that they have the talent to be top flight tackles and I think once they got situated would finally give us a true LT that'd let Diehl slide inside to LG or swing over to RT where he first broke into the starting lineup.
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Have you thought of selecting Jerry to replace Robbins or Coefield? IMO, DT could stand to be upgraded more than DE. Jerry is one of the better penetrating DTs in this class and he's equally adept at stopping the run. He's one of my favorite prospects in this draft. I wanted the Cowboys to have a chance at him as a 3-4 DE prospect, but we traded out of Round 1.
I'm not that high on Peria since I feel like he's a rich man's version of what we've already got and I'd rather either add something new to our DT rotation like Oghobaase before he decided to go all smart guy on us and go back to school or a NT type like raji or even Brace/Taylor in round 2/3.

That said I really think we should wait on DT and not go that route in round 1 except for maybe raji. With this draft I feel like we can get better value at DE, OT, LB, WR or even S early and if a terrance taylor or ron brace is there with our latter second rounder or third rounder consider them there.
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oh i forgot to mention this before, but i would really like for us to draft a kicker. its long overdue.

any Mason Crosby's this year?

im still upset we passed on Mason 2 years ago.
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oh i forgot to mention this before, but i would really like for us to draft a kicker. its long overdue.

any Mason Crosby's this year?

im still upset we passed on Mason 2 years ago.
Watching his kick to win the game get blocked with a room full of bears fans was pretty freakin awesome.
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Im adding Clay Matthews to the list of possible SAMs. I like his game. He's strong, great blitzer, big run stuffer, has good speed, smart, and a good team player.

I sort of like him more than Cushing actually.
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Im adding Clay Matthews to the list of possible SAMs. I like his game. He's strong, great blitzer, big run stuffer, has good speed, smart, and a good team player.

I sort of like him more than Cushing actually.
I mentioned that also in this thread or the other. I htink Matthews fits our system way better than Cushing.
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I mentioned that also in this thread or the other. I htink Matthews fits our system way better than Cushing.
nice. so i guess we're on the same page with that one.

the question is, is he a first round guy? bc im not sure if he's worth taking over some other guys in the 1st, and i doubt he lasts until the late 2nd.

he really does seem to be a nice fit though. him, sintim, spikes, they all fit well.
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nice. so i guess we're on the same page with that one.

the question is, is he a first round guy? bc im not sure if he's worth taking over some other guys in the 1st, and i doubt he lasts until the late 2nd.

he really does seem to be a nice fit though. him, sintim, spikes, they all fit well.
As of now I don't think he sneaks into the 1st round but by the time the combine and all other events are over he might get in there. The NO 2nd round pick is going to be very valuable to us this year because of the depth of this draft. Reese really is a brilliant GM up to this point.
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nice. so i guess we're on the same page with that one.

the question is, is he a first round guy? bc im not sure if he's worth taking over some other guys in the 1st, and i doubt he lasts until the late 2nd.

he really does seem to be a nice fit though. him, sintim, spikes, they all fit well.
I'm not sure there is one aspect of Matthews' game that is better than Cushing's. Matthews will get pushed around in the NFL like a little kid. First round? He won't be taken in the top 100.
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how would he get bullied though? its not like he'll play on the line for us. i think hes plenty strong to play SAM at the next level, and is a great blitzer and tackler. the immortal mike mayock is a big fan of his too.

Cushing's injury concerns scare me more than anything. I like his game, but not his injury history.
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how would he get bullied though? its not like he'll play on the line for us. i think hes plenty strong to play SAM at the next level, and is a great blitzer and tackler. the immortal mike mayock is a big fan of his too.

Cushing's injury concerns scare me more than anything. I like his game, but not his injury history.
Cushing plays through injuries though. It's not like he has spent a lot of time on the sidelines.

And Matthews lacks both leverage and base strength. Those two put together on the strong side are a bad combination.
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i gotta check him out more. i never looked at that.

hopefully i can catch the USC/Penn State game and really put the eyeball to all these guys.
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Michael Crabtree - he'd be downright dirty

Darrius Heyward-Bey - i dont really like him, but he has the height and potential

Jeremy Maclin - probably not a #1 target, but nonetheless he's good

Derrick Williams - Mr. everything, he's going to be something at the next level, reminds me a bit of eddie royal with some more meat on the bones.

Late Rounders:

Aaron Kelly- tall consistent reciever for clemson

Pat Turner- big physical USC receiver

Tiquan Underwood- having the privledge of seeing him play constantly he's a good #2 guy really emerged after leonard and ramel left bc the rungame decline

Defensive Tackle:
Reason: teams run up the middle on us, and can double our ends so we don’t get pressure

Top players:

BJ Raji- like the guy, his body is ideal for what we need him to do, clog the middle

Peria Jerry- haven’t seen him play

Evander Hood- think he’s overrated

Fili Maola- ran into some trouble, but he has produced a lot of trouble, not what we’re looking for, but would help anyway.

Terrance Taylor-My personal pick, in 3 years of watching him play there is no doubt in my mind the giants and him were made for eachother, he is a dominant force in the middle.

Late Rounders:

Demonte Bolden- remember his name, don’t remember why

Cornerback
Reason: hopefully Webster doesn’t leave, Ross is inconsistent, Dockery is a NB, but Terrell Thomas could wind up being great, never the less, we need depth

Top players:

Malcolm Jenkins- best cover corner, great speed agility hands and instincts

Vontae Davis- best all around corner, leader.

Alphonso Smith- my favorite player in this draft class, and sadly like all my other favorite players, we wont get him. He is the ideal NB, he could play on the outside, but against a smaller receiver or with help over the top.

Mike Mickens- all I gotta say is that we should get him.

Victor Harris- probably best at NB or S

Late Rounders:

Wompamo Osaisai- he was great at one point, he could be developed into a starter.

my picks:
1. Alphonso Smith
2. Derrick Williams
2b. Terrance Taylor
(although i doubt we're getting NO's #2 with the season vilma had)
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Britt is better than Williams and Maclin

DT isn't THAT huge of a need, it's behind LB which you didn't mention

Webster is locked up, he signed a 5(?) year extension, and Ross has been hurt...
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yeah, i couldnt find Britt, is he a junior?

well if you look at it this way, getting a DT that takes two blockers instead of 1 allows the DEs to rush and the LBs to read the play and not be held up. Plus Kehl and Goff are both gunna be nasty.

oh i didnt hear that. yea i know ross got hurt but he still was making mistakes especially against Zona.

id put needs like this then.

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i know we just drafted Manningham, but big deal. Mario is a project. Britt fits our scheme and is a great insurance policy to Burress.

i know we won't draft him, but i love Alex Mack. he'd be the perfect mauler at C for us who can maul and pull as well.
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i dont think we'll be getting NO's 2nd, vilma was traded with incetives to NO from NYJ for at least a 3rd, and he had a good season and started every game, so we're getting a 1st in 2009 most likely
It is very doubtful that we get a 2009 first instead of a 2nd this year.
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