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Old 07-15-2008, 07:32 PM    (permalink
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Jamal Lewis is very fast? Yeah right.

And Lewis has 190 career catches. Tomlinson has 458. Yes, it's that big of a difference.
In Baltimore they never used him much as a receiving option, but he showed to be capable.

About his speed, just ask the Cincinnati secondary as he runs right by, and then away from them. I guess that they must be slow too.
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wow Grant is really becoming overrated. He is replaceable and is being seen as a great back, which isn't the case.
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In Baltimore they never used him much as a receiving option, but he showed to be capable.

About his speed, just ask the Cincinnati secondary as he runs right by, and then away from them. I guess that they must be slow too.
Well they are. Use better examples than Cincy's D
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In Baltimore they never used him much as a receiving option, but he showed to be capable.

About his speed, just ask the Cincinnati secondary as he runs right by, and then away from them. I guess that they must be slow too.
You're right though. In Baltimore he would shuffle his feet in the backfield constantly and fall ahead for 2 yards. In Cleveland he has hit the hole hard every time.
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I think part of that is a very good offensive line coming together and great fullback play. When Mckinney went down and Ryan Tucker stepped in at right guard the running game really took off and Jamal had a dominant second half of the season.
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wow Grant is really becoming overrated. He is replaceable and is being seen as a great back, which isn't the case.
Your post there is very wrong.

1. Since when is 16th considered great?

2. Show me who we could have replaced him with this offseason

3. Him at 16th is not overated. He was 19th in yards (7th in YPC), 9th in TDs, and 3rd in runs of 20 or more yards in half a season
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Westbrook is above AD if for no other reason his experience gives him an edge.
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I think its amazing how just a season or two can shake up rankings so much...LJ was hurt last year with literally no line at all, and all of a sudden he is on the outside of the top 10, had this list been made after the 2006 season there would be no way he didn't make the top 5...I don't think guys should move up or down that fast due to a down season, his talent level is still better then where he is ranked.
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Old 07-15-2008, 08:28 PM    (permalink
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Your post there is very wrong.

1. Since when is 16th considered great?

2. Show me who we could have replaced him with this offseason

3. Him at 16th is not overated. He was 19th in yards (7th in YPC), 9th in TDs, and 3rd in runs of 20 or more yards in half a season
explain how he better then MJD.
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explain how he better then MJD.
He's not, but that has nothing to do with what you said.
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Westbrook is above AD if for no other reason his experience gives him an edge.
WRONG-O! AD has had one good season, Westbrook's had what like 7? Westbrook is also a better blocker, reciever and quicker. Yea, AD is great, but c'mon, the amount of people who under-rate Westbrook is just cruel. And I'm a Giants fan for ***** sake
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I like the explanation for Grant:

16. Ryan Grant, Green Bay Packers. Grant's '07 success was no fluke. The Packers' line play is solid and he is a strong runner who can attack between the tackles and cut to daylight.

So he is success was no fluke because he says so? nice
I laughed at that too.

Also Clinton Portis gets no respect and Julius Jones at 25 is hillarious
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WRONG-O! AD has had one good season, Westbrook's had what like 7? Westbrook is also a better blocker, reciever and quicker. Yea, AD is great, but c'mon, the amount of people who under-rate Westbrook is just cruel. And I'm a Giants fan for ***** sake
Well, Westbrook has only been the starter for two years, but he's been very productive even as a backup early in his career. Oddly enough, he's started two years, and owned bitches two years. He split carries with Staley and Buckhalter early on (when we actually ran the ball) and his career YPC is 4.7. Not too shabby.

And yes, he's a very good blocker, awesome receiver and is definitely quicker and shiftier than AD. He has also learned to run inside a LOT better and is a true triple threat (Inside, outside, receiving)
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I laughed at that too.

Also Clinton Portis gets no respect and Julius Jones at 25 is hillarious
Julius Jones should be at 125
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From a deserving standpoint, Westbrook should be ahead of Peterson. It honestly won't last through mid-season though, as long as AD/P stays healthy til mid-season.

Here's my Top 10:

1. LaDainian Tomlinson
2. Brian Westbrook
3. Adrian Peterson
4. Steven Jackson
5. Willie Parker
6. Ronnie Brown
7. Frank Gore
8. Fred Taylor
9. Marion Barber III
10. Larry Johnson (I'm not giving up on him yet, haha)
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My top 10 based on 2008-09 production:

1. LT
2. Brian Westbrook
3. Adrian Peterson
4. Steven Jackson
5. Clinton Portis
6. Marion Barber III
7a. Frank Gore
7b. Joseph Addai
8. Marshawn Lynch
9. Willis McGahee
10. Jamal Lewis

EDIT: Dammit, forgot Addai... cheatin a little :(
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Damn am I the only one who thinks Addai at 10 is too low? I know hes in a good system and all but hes still an exceptional back whom I'm sure could excel in a lot of other offenses.
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He's not, but that has nothing to do with what you said.
well him rated over MJD is what made me say he becoming overrated....if someone is rated higher then a player, who they are not better then, that makes them overrated.
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well him rated over MJD is what made me say he becoming overrated....if someone is rated higher then a player, who they are not better then, that makes them overrated.
So I guess Brian Westbrook, Willie Parker, Willis McGahee, Marshwn Lynch, Edgerrin James, Thomas Jones, Laurence Marony, among others are all overated too because there are players lower than them that are arguably better .
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True, Frank Gore is a top 5 back.

1. LT
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I think part of that is a very good offensive line coming together and great fullback play. When Mckinney went down and Ryan Tucker stepped in at right guard the running game really took off and Jamal had a dominant second half of the season.
He picked up the slack when DA was sucking and they needed him.
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