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Old 07-15-2008, 11:57 PM    (permalink
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For those who say Grant at 16 is overated...why? Grant was essentialy a rookie like AD. The Vikings had an amazing o-line with a poor passing game last year. The Packers had a good o-line with a great passing game last year. Both RB's had about the same amount of help. AD had an amazing year except for a few games. Ryan Grant turned the Packers rushing attack from awful to one of the best. While having one of the best second half's of football over any other RB. Grant also rushed for what 220 yards against the Seahawks in the playoffs. Yes AD probably faced more 8 man fronts then Grant.

If your saying Grant's season was a fluke then AD's could be a fluke as well seeing as there both essentialy rookies. Remember the Packers had no rushing attack at all until the arrival of Grant.

Maybes hes too high, maybe ranked above someone you dont agree with, but like always its debatable. I think he got a fair rating.
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For those who say Grant at 16 is overated...why? Grant was essentialy a rookie like AD. The Vikings had an amazing o-line with a poor passing game last year. The Packers had a good o-line with a great passing game last year. Both RB's had about the same amount of help. AD had an amazing year except for a few games. Ryan Grant turned the Packers rushing attack from awful to one of the best. While having one of the best second half's of football over any other RB. Grant also rushed for what 220 yards against the Seahawks in the playoffs. Yes AD probably faced more 8 man fronts then Grant.

If your saying Grant's season was a fluke then AD's could be a fluke as well seeing as there both essentialy rookies. Remember the Packers had no rushing attack at all until the arrival of Grant.

Maybes hes too high, maybe ranked above someone you dont agree with, but like always its debatable. I think he got a fair rating.
He's overrated by quite a few. He's an average talent who broke out behind an outstanding line. When teams keyed on him, and figured him out(ala Giants) he got stuffed. granted they didn't run all that much, but still. He was fresh due to not playing the full season(which makes a difference) and teams will catch on to him. I like him, good kid, but over-rated by quite a few
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For those who say Grant at 16 is overated...why? Grant was essentialy a rookie like AD. The Vikings had an amazing o-line with a poor passing game last year. The Packers had a good o-line with a great passing game last year. Both RB's had about the same amount of help. AD had an amazing year except for a few games. Ryan Grant turned the Packers rushing attack from awful to one of the best. While having one of the best second half's of football over any other RB. Grant also rushed for what 220 yards against the Seahawks in the playoffs. Yes AD probably faced more 8 man fronts then Grant.

If your saying Grant's season was a fluke then AD's could be a fluke as well seeing as there both essentialy rookies. Remember the Packers had no rushing attack at all until the arrival of Grant.

Maybes hes too high, maybe ranked above someone you dont agree with, but like always its debatable. I think he got a fair rating.



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I think its amazing how just a season or two can shake up rankings so much...LJ was hurt last year with literally no line at all, and all of a sudden he is on the outside of the top 10, had this list been made after the 2006 season there would be no way he didn't make the top 5...I don't think guys should move up or down that fast due to a down season, his talent level is still better then where he is ranked.
that's what i thought when i first saw the rankings........
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Don't ever compare AD to Ryan Grant ever again plzkthx
The comparison is valid and it is one that I have used before. He's not saying that Grant is as good as Peterson, It's that Grant and Peterson have the same amount of experience. Peterson has started only one more game than Grant yet Peterson is completely proven and the second best back in the NFL, and Grant unproven. That's quite a double standard.
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The comparison is valid and it is one that I have used before. He's not saying that Grant is as good as Peterson, It's that Grant and Peterson have the same amount of experience. Peterson has started only one more game than Grant yet Peterson is completely proven and the second best back in the NFL, and Grant unproven. That's quite a double standard.


Because Peterson was a big time prospect coming out, and while no one expected him to be as good as he was last year, most people expected him to be a very good RB. That's not the case with Grant. He came out of nowhere.
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Yea...as much as it sucks Ryan Grant has alot more to prove to people than AD.
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Wow, Lendale White--he of the 3.8 yards per carry--is ranked higher than Justin Fargas (4.5 yards per carry)? And Julius Jones? Come on... I'm not saying Fargas should be considered a star, but these two scrubs certainly are worse than him.
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So I guess Brian Westbrook, Willie Parker, Willis McGahee, Marshwn Lynch, Edgerrin James, Thomas Jones, Laurence Marony, among others are all overated too because there are players lower than them that are arguably better .
what are you talking about?
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that's what i thought when i first saw the rankings........
anyways my rankings would be:

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I second your rankings, or the tiers should be in order as well than i would swap gore and mcgahee. I think that barber is overrated by a lot of the people on this forum tbh
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Wow, Lendale White--he of the 3.8 yards per carry--is ranked higher than Justin Fargas (4.5 yards per carry)? And Julius Jones? Come on... I'm not saying Fargas should be considered a star, but these two scrubs certainly are worse than him.
Justin Fargas is disgustingly underrated. He is one of the toughest runners in the league and definitely has some breakaway ability. His one knock is his durability, which those other two guys have also had to deal with.
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Justin Fargas is disgustingly underrated. He is one of the toughest runners in the league and definitely has some breakaway ability. His one knock is his durability, which those other two guys have also had to deal with.
I love Fargas. Runs so hard I even feel the hits he receives on gameday. That said, it's tough to completely fall for a kid who's first big year was in the first year his offense utilized the ZBS, and someone who put up their biggest games against some of the poorest running defenses. He's also lost a lot of that 4.3 speed that he entered the league with after his injuries.

I like the kid a lot, but I see why people aren't jumping all over the guy.
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True, Frank Gore is a top 5 back.

1. LT
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Exactly. And I am hoping this year people see that he is better than Jackson. And should be seen as such considering he hasn't ever had the benefit of a passing game to help him out.
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Jackson is about 30% of the Rams passing game

Even the Miami homer that I am, can admit that Gore will never be as good as Jackson is and can be
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Wooo Earnest Graham makes a top 25 list.
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Westbrook/AD is basically a tossup imo.
I agree, but if u tell me that I can only have one this season assuming good health....I take AD without a question. I could see going the other way too tho.
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He's overrated by quite a few. He's an average talent who broke out behind an outstanding line. When teams keyed on him, and figured him out(ala Giants) he got stuffed. granted they didn't run all that much, but still. He was fresh due to not playing the full season(which makes a difference) and teams will catch on to him. I like him, good kid, but over-rated by quite a few
Teams did the exact same thing to AP as well. In his last 4 games, he was held to 2.6 YPC 2 TDs and didn't break 80 yards.

16 is about an appropriate position for Grant in this list. The only people I'd consider moving in front of him would be Jamal Lewis and MJD.
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a bit surprised that williams didn't make the list (and of the comment that's made about him). personally i'd take him over julius jones and lendale (and possibly graham)
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I agree, but if u tell me that I can only have one this season assuming good health....I take AD without a question. I could see going the other way too tho.
And I take Westbrook without a question. He runs, catches, blocks, returns punts on occasion...
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The comparison is valid and it is one that I have used before. He's not saying that Grant is as good as Peterson, It's that Grant and Peterson have the same amount of experience. Peterson has started only one more game than Grant yet Peterson is completely proven and the second best back in the NFL, and Grant unproven. That's quite a double standard.
DId you count the 2 playoff games?
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wow Grant is really becoming overrated. He is replaceable and is being seen as a great back, which isn't the case.
After breaking down the GB game, I agree. Good back, but sicker system! He fits it perfectly, which is a reflection on your GM and scouts for recognizing that.
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After breaking down the GB game, I agree. Good back, but sicker system! He fits it perfectly, which is a reflection on your GM and scouts for recognizing that.
While it is a great system and a lot of his runs came on cut backs in the zone scheme, he deserves all the credit that he gets. He runs hard, never fumbles, doesn't take many yards for loss and came up big when he needed to. What more can you ask for. Most of his runs came on long plays too, so he is explosive.

Also, Brandon Jackson and others did not do nearly as well in the same system.
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While it is a great system and a lot of his runs came on cut backs in the zone scheme, he deserves all the credit that he gets. He runs hard, never fumbles, doesn't take many yards for loss and came up big when he needed to. What more can you ask for. Most of his runs came on long plays too, so he is explosive.

Also, Brandon Jackson and others did not do nearly as well in the same system.
towards the end of the season Jackson started putting up 100 yards rushing, also Wynn was doing good before his injury. And 2 years ago, Ahman and Morency were doing well for themselves in the system.
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Really happy to see Westbrook at #2. People are finally starting to come around and see just how good he is. Peterson ahead of Westbrook is nuts. Peterson is a monster, but let's hold off on the Hall Of Fame Ballot until he plays some more.
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