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Old 07-16-2008, 08:45 PM    (permalink
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Default ESPN DB rankings....

Its an insider article so I can't post the whole thing but here is the AFC East (If anyone can please do)...as a fan of the Bills they are ranked WAY too low

ESPN really has a bias against small market teams (Unless Brett Farve is behind center)

The fact that ESPN mentions Jason Webster is a joke. As a Bills fan who watched Webster in training camp and preseason I will tell you he is garbage

And something tells me if the Pats had drafted McKelvin their ranking would be inflated

Personally I would have the Jets 12-15, Bills and Pats 15-20 and the Phins 20-25


27. Buffalo Bills
They will be improved this year with SS Donte Whitner and FS Ko Simpson both entering their third season. Simpson missed the majority of the 2007 season with a dislocated ankle, but should be ready to return as the starter, and the duo gives the Bills two young playmakers with good instincts who can make plays in traffic or in space. Buffalo returns starters Terrence McGee and Jabari Greer back at corner, and while McGee lacks ideal size he does have good quickness and ball skills. Greer has better size to match up with receivers and is very competitive. The addition of CB Leodis McKelvin through the draft will provide depth and competition, and McKelvin should be at least the nickel corner when the season begins.



19. New England Patriots
The Patriots secondary will feature some new faces this year after the losses of Asante Samuel and Eugene Wilson to free agency. Veteran Fernando Bryant and Jason Webster will step into the void, while Ellis Hobbs will continue to hold down the other corner spot. New England also added some youth to the group by drafting Terrence Wheatley in the second round. Veteran SS Rodney Harrison continues to make a difference despite his age, and James Sanders is back after starting 15 games last season. Second-year man Brandon Meriweather should be more of a safety, and if he can play with the same confidence he demonstrated in college Meriweather will be a good one.

23. Miami Dolphins
Jason Allen has the physical tools to excel as a starting free safety, but has started just nine games in his first two seasons and he will have former Atlanta starter Chris Crocker behind him if he falters. SS Yeremiah Bell can make a lot of plays with his toughness and instincts, but he also faces health questions after playing in just one game last season. Will Allen has been a solid and durable fixture at RCB, while LCB Michael Lehan needs to recover quickly from an injured ankle. The Dolphins have good depth at safety with Keith Davis and Crocker as the backups. Davis and Crocker will quickly upgrade the special teams units if they are not starting, and Andre Goodman, Nathan Jones and Travis Daniels provide quality depth at corner.

26. New York Jets
The Jets should feel good about their future at corner as RCB Darrelle Revis showed good technique and cover skills while starting every game last season as a rookie. Revis should only get better with experience, and Kerry Rhodes is an above-average starter at safety who will provide consistent production. The other safety spot is a bit of a question mark as Abram Elam will look to improve after starting eight games last season. If New York gets LCB Justin Miller back at full strength this year it will be a bonus as the Jets were forced to adjust to his absence early last season. This is another group that could finish much higher in the rankings by the end of the year if some concerns are addressed.
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The fact that they mention Fernando Bryant is a joke, too. He's one of the worst zone corners EVER.
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Where are the eagles ranked?
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Let me guess....49ers at....12?
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Jason Webster. Hahahaha. I remember him. I am SO glad he is gone. He had no outstanding qualities. I guess he was ok at wrapping guys up, but thats about it.
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Rhodes is an above average starter? that's it? i'd say he's more than that, i think he's top tier saftey personally, but then again, Roy Willaims is a pro bowl player.....
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WOW!!!!!! How in the heck in the Dolphins secondary better then the Jets?? How are they better then the Bills also?? The Dolphins secondary is horrible! They couldn't cover my grandmother on her scooter chair!

Seriously these people are idiots, Revis is a emerging star at CB, he has started his career really well, and has a chance to be one of the best CB in football one day, I say he can end up being top 5 one day.
Kerry Rhodes only above average? The guy is a star! And IMO the best safety in football! Again thats my opinion, and I have my reasons, its debatable who's the best, not trying to start a argument about it. Point is this list is stupid. IMO the Jets have the best secondary in the division because of Rhodes and Revis, then the Bills, then the Pats, then the Fins.
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WOW!!!!!! How in the heck in the Dolphins secondary better then the Jets?? How are they better then the Bills also?? The Dolphins secondary is horrible! They couldn't cover my grandmother on her scooter chair!

Seriously these people are idiots, Revis is a emerging star at CB, he has started his career really well, and has a chance to be one of the best CB in football one day, I say he can end up being top 5 one day.

Kerry Rhodes only above average? The guy is a star! And IMO the best safety in football! Again thats my opinion, and I have my reasons, its debatable who's the best, not trying to start a argument about it. Point is this list is stupid. IMO the Jets have the best secondary in the division because of Rhodes and Revis, then the Bills, then the Pats, then the Fins.
I agree with the part in bold, but best secondary in the AFC east? I think thats pushing it a little.
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I agree with the part in bold, but best secondary in the AFC east? I think thats pushing it a little.
Although the Jets definitely have some question spots, i think it isn't that far off, as all the teams in the division have them. The Dolphins IMO should be last in the division, with the other 3 rankings up for debate. The bills have solid guys, but one is a rookie and you never know how he'll do, and a battle at one saftey spot. The Pats have an aging Rodney, and lost Samuel, still have to see what happens. The Jets have an average guy in Elam, and a question mark with Miller.
I'm not sure if you could definitively decide on who's #1, as it is debatable either way. Dolphins are the only one i'd say they certainly aren't #1.
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I agree with the part in bold, but best secondary in the AFC east? I think thats pushing it a little.
Like the guy above me said its definitely not pushing it, the AFC east has no really good secondaries this year. I was just saying the Jets because of Rhodes and Revis, obviously Rhodes is the best DB in the division, thats not a debate, now CB is debatable, but I think Revis is the best, but you can argue that McGee is better right now. Now the only one in the discussion for a better secondary then the Jets is the Bills IMO. You can argue that they are better, the Pats lost Samual, so they are going to have a drop off.
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Will Allen had good numbers for DB's last year, partly because of skill, partly because of the **** surrounding him. I remember Peter King tried to claim Allen should have been an all pro.

The Pats will get overrated because the offense is beast.

You guys (Jets) probably should be best in the AFC east. The only other combo that looks enticing from a CB/S standpoint is McKelvin/Whitner and McKelvin is unknown.
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Yeah, but you can never under-estimate the Pats and their system. They run a more relaxed 3-4, which is actually quite similar to a 'Cover 2'/'Tampa 2' defense with a 3-4 front.
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Jason Webster, Fernando Bryant, and Ellis Hobbs all blow.

Hobbs blows as is and he plays in "The System"

I don't agree with the argument about the pats system. They have just had good players in it over the years. Ty Law was a stud when he was there and Asante Samuel is just a good Corner. I don't know what everyone tries to claim he is such a product of the scheme.
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Jason Webster, Fernando Bryant, and Ellis Hobbs all blow.

Hobbs blows as is and he plays in "The System"

I don't agree with the argument about the pats system. They have just had good players in it over the years. Ty Law was a stud when he was there and Asante Samuel is just a good Corner. I don't know what everyone tries to claim he is such a product of the scheme.
Because some people really have a hard time giving credit where credit is due, especially when it's a team they don't like. I know that I used to be the same way with the Colts, but have gained a tremendous amount of respect for them (even as a rival) and their players over the years.
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Because some people really have a hard time giving credit where credit is due, especially when it's a team they don't like. I know that I used to be the same way with the Colts, but have gained a tremendous amount of respect for them (even as a rival) and their players over the years.
Who is your team?
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Where are the Bolts ranked? i could see them being all over the map because as good as Cro and Jammer are, Weddle hasn't proven himself full time (despite his beastliness) and Hart...well, Hart is bad. Some people say he is solid, or improving, but no. He is bad.
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Where are the Bolts ranked? i could see them being all over the map because as good as Cro and Jammer are, Weddle hasn't proven himself full time (despite his beastliness) and Hart...well, Hart is bad. Some people say he is solid, or improving, but no. He is bad.
Chargers are 5th. I love the depth at CB with Cro Jammer and Cason but I haven't seen enough of Weddle or Hart.
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I was actually very impressed with what I saw from Weddle last season. Kid's got a future in this league.
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