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Old 08-06-2008, 04:05 PM    (permalink
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thats a horrible argument though, Leaf had tools to be a pro NFL QB, but he didnt become one
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thats a horrible argument though, Leaf had tools to be a pro NFL QB, but he didnt become one
Cromartie is already the All-Pro CB, and he's nowhere near his ceiling. Leaf has no place in this thread.
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Old 08-06-2008, 04:11 PM    (permalink
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no im not saying Cromartie sucks. But to judge someone by their tools is not what i like :D
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just remember: having a less-than steller ST won't kill you, however a weak backfield will.
depends how good the front 7 is. DBs are as good as their front 7 is.
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Cromartie has all of the tools to be a shutdown corner, which IMO would make him a better choose than Hester.
But he isn't yet. Phillip Buchanon had all the tools to be a shutdown corner, and he was terrible in any system that put him on an island. Cromartie breaks on the ball well and is probably the best athlete we've seen at the position in a while, but he has a ways to go based on last year's performance.

Hester has the tools to be a great deep threat at wideout, but until he becomes one, there's no reason to assume he will.
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Cro can return and play amazing cornerback, so he gets my vote.
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But he isn't yet. Phillip Buchanon had all the tools to be a shutdown corner, and he was terrible in any system that put him on an island. Cromartie breaks on the ball well and is probably the best athlete we've seen at the position in a while, but he has a ways to go based on last year's performance.

Hester has the tools to be a great deep threat at wideout, but until he becomes one, there's no reason to assume he will.
Best opinion I've heard yet. Some people are horribly overrating the year Cromartie had, don't get me wrong, he's a dynamic player, but I don't think he even belongs in the top 5 CB's yet. Hester is the most flashy player to EVER be apart of any return team, he is the best the NFL has seen. I'd take that and just as much potential as Cromartie in his respective position.
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I think Cromartie is very overrated. That said I would take him.
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What people also forget about Cribbs is that he is also a beast of coverage, he has led the team in ST tackles the past few years, not to mention averaging 30 yards per return last year.

Hester is a great punt returner and a good kick returner and is learning at reciever. Cribbs is a great kick returner, good punt returner who is still learning punts and a GREAT gunner. Always around the ball.
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A lot of those teams have aging corners or guys that are FAs soon...

Plus, Cromartie has flashed the potential to be a top guy in the league. If there's the next Deion Sanders in the league right now, Cromartie is it.
Cro's style isn't anywhere similar to Deion.

He's more of a bait and break, high risk high reward corner, where as Deion was shut down/don't even ****** look at me.

In other words, Cro has some real dirty ball skills and he is Deion like with the ball in his hands, but as far as coverage, he is nowhere close.


I would take Cro over Hester. The Chargers could put Cro back to return punts if they wanted to and I would predict he would be a top-5 return guy in the league, not to mention he can actually play a position. Hester is a returner and only a returner so far.
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cromartie did all this last year without being a starter but a nickleback he also had more balls deflected than the starters, hes going to be the side they try not to throw to when hes starting
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cromartie did all this last year without being a starter but a nickleback he also had more balls deflected than the starters, hes going to be the side they try not to throw to when hes starting
Cromartie spent most of his time last year defending the outside. He was a starter for all intents and purposes.
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Let's say for an expansion team, I got the choice of one (and then the other was taken off the table).

If that was the case, I would probably take Hester. A return man is the closest thing to absolutely dominating a game you can get in football. With Hester gettings kick-offs and some punts, he could help that team get a few wins under their belt so they can nab FAs.
A potential lock down corner who at worst will be a top 10 at the position and who is so able to out wrestle and out run any receiver bar one or two for the ball is way more valuable than a kick returner of Hester's calibre.

There's a reason why cornerbacks are paid 4th in the league behind QB, LT and DEs.
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A potential lock down corner who at worst will be a top 10 at the position and who is
This is what I mean when I say he's very overrated.
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Notice I used the phrases "potential" and "will be"

I realise he's still a ways off, but he's got the athleticism and it seems the drive to do it.

No where did I say he's reached those heights yet.
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Or he could falter, whereas Hester has done this for two years. I'd take him at this point.
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I don't think its likely he's going to Falter, you don't play well for two years and then all of a sudden dump in a position like corner back.
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Cromartie spent most of his time last year defending the outside. He was a starter for all intents and purposes.
Florence did shift inside to the nickelback when Cro was on the field, but I've no doubt that Florence saw way more snaps overall last year.

Cromartie might not be "Deion-like" in his coverage but is that a fair comparison for a guy entering his second year starting? He's damn good in coverage and only got burned deep once last year by Favre, and arguably by Jamarcus Russell (he tailed off expecting safety help to the inside). Not too shabby I'd say.

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depends how good the front 7 is. DBs are as good as their front 7 is.
This much is true. I mean, come on, Kevin Dockery and Geoffery Pope looked good against the Cowboys in the playoffs. Hell, Craig Dahl even started and didn't totally bomb for the Giants, mainly because of our front 7(or Strahan, Osi, Tuck and Pierce..)
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I would take pacman over cribbs anyday of the week, pacman is the 2nd best returner in the game when he is one the field, the man can make people miss like crazy.
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Or he could falter, whereas Hester has done this for two years. I'd take him at this point.
I know where you are coming from but don't get me wrong Cro is the real deal ! And yes, he and Deion have very contrasting styles though I do expect Cro to become more of a shutdown / lockdown corner as less teams continue to look his way as this season progresses.
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Corners are a lot harder to come by then a returner (IE: Cribbs, Pacman, Dante Hall, etc.) so based on that alone I'd take Cro. Hester has a lot lower of ceiling compared to Cromartie, who is arguably faster and taller/more athletic. Cromartie polishes up and we could have a Deion-esque corner. Hester IMO has a lot more room to make up offensively, and will probably end up being what we all wanted Dante Hall to become.
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I pick the Cro again.
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