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Obviously Jerry Rice is the unanimous #1 WR of all-time. But after him, there is no clear cut 2nd best Reciever. In your opinion, who is the 2nd best WR in NFL history?

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Oh, I thought it was already known to be Moss.
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DON HUTSON!!!!!!!

He dominated his era as well if not better than Jerry Rice.


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As of the end of the 2007 NFL season, Hutson still holds the following records: Most seasons leading league in pass receptions (, Most seasons leading league in pass receiving yards gained (7), Most seasons leading league in pass receiving touchdowns (9), Most seasons leading league in scoring (5),
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Hutson played in an era where the run dominated the game, the pass interference rule favored defenses, and players played both offense and defense. However, Hutson rarely saw the double and triple team coverages that Rice did
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DON HUTSON!!!!!!!

He dominated his era as well if not better than Jerry Rice.
Hutson is #1 of all time. Rice is #2. Hutson had statistics three times better than anyone else in his generation. The guy caught 74 passes when the second guy in the league caught 28 or so in 1942. He had 17 touchdowns, the runner up had something like four. Besides, he had added value as a cornerback (and a very good one, too.) Rice played in a time when receivers got tons of opportunities to run their routes - Hutson didn't have the wimpy rules the NFL has in place now. Besides, Rice also played in a fairly gimmicky offense with two Hall of Fame quarterbacks (three if you count Rich Gannon, who might get in.)
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I'll throw one out there: Lance Alworth.

Receptions - 542
Receiving Yards - 10,266
Touchdowns - 85

that is 18.94 yards per reception.
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Hutson is #1 of all time. Rice is #2. Hutson had statistics three times better than anyone else in his generation. The guy caught 74 passes when the second guy in the league caught 28 or so in 1942. He had 17 touchdowns, the runner up had something like four. Besides, he had added value as a cornerback (and a very good one, too.) Rice played in a time when receivers got tons of opportunities to run their routes - Hutson didn't have the wimpy rules the NFL has in place now. Besides, Rice also played in a fairly gimmicky offense with two Hall of Fame quarterbacks (three if you count Rich Gannon, who might get in.)
I agree completly.

Very good article comparing the two:

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com...ke_Hutson.html

(Also I doubt Gannon gets in, but had he played longer then maybe)
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I'll throw one out there: Lance Alworth.

Receptions - 542
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Touchdowns - 85

that is 18.94 yards per reception.
He was definitly one of the best big play threats. But was his offense gimmicky?
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It's Moss. He made Daunte Culpepper look like a hall of fame QB. Now he's making Tom Brady look like the best QB of all time.
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A receiver who played in the 40s despite his numbers is not as good as Jerry Rice or Moss.

Best player from their era, probably from all time, not a chance.
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Randy Moss may be the most physically gifted receiver to ever play the game.
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A receiver who played in the 40s despite his numbers is not as good as Jerry Rice or Moss.

Best player from their era, probably from all time, not a chance.
How so? Rules were tougher on WR's back then and on top of that he totally revolutionized the passing game and his numbers were WAY better than anyone in his time.
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It's Moss. He made Daunte Culpepper look like a hall of fame QB. Now he's making Tom Brady look like the best QB of all time.
This is a big misconception.

Culpepper's best year as a Viking (2004: 4717 Yds, 39 TDs, nearly 70% comp) was Moss' worst as a Viking (49 Rec, 767 yds).

Anyway, yes, Moss has been fantastic lately, but he's got to last a lot longer in my eyes to be considered the 2nd best ever. He's 20th in career reception behind Holt (who is SO OVERRATED!!!11!1!one). My pick is Chris Carter.
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This is a big misconception.

Culpepper's best year as a Viking (2004: 4717 Yds, 39 TDs, nearly 70% comp) was Moss' worst as a Viking (49 Rec, 767 yds).

Anyway, yes, Moss has been fantastic lately, but he's got to last a lot longer in my eyes to be considered the 2nd best ever. He's 20th in career reception behind Holt (who is SO OVERRATED!!!11!1!one). My pick is Chris Carter.


Well Moss was hobbled by injuries that year. But still, without Moss Culpepper doesn't put up close to the numbers that he did. His presence alone made Culpepper the QB that he was.
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I'll throw one out there: Lance Alworth.

Receptions - 542
Receiving Yards - 10,266
Touchdowns - 85

that is 18.94 yards per reception.
And well deserved. Lance himself has said that if he got to play with rules like today, he'd catch 150 balls minimum every year. Physical, exceptional speed, and the greatest leaping ability and hands of his time. Lance gave instant credibility to a football franchise in San Diego during an era where the rest of the NFL wouldn't have minded snuffing that light out. Great pick.


His offense was NOT gimmicky, either.
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Well Moss was hobbled by injuries that year. But still, without Moss Culpepper doesn't put up close to the numbers that he did. His presence alone made Culpepper the QB that he was.
You totally danced around my point. I don't care why Moss was not effective, my entire point is that he was not effective, but Culpepper was extremely effective. For example, Culpepper threw for 363 yards and 4 TDs in week 10 of 2004. Moss didn't play a single snap. That's just one of many great performances Culpepper put up in '04 with little to no impact from Randy Moss.
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I'm going to go with Chris Carter as my #2 WR of all time.
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don hutson. the zone defense had to be invented just to cover him. unfortunately, people on this board don't have any understanding or respect for players thay played before 1999. even worse might be the people who don't think that johnny unitas is the best (and no worse than the second best) qb of all time. or those who really think that any runningback is better than jim brown was. or that derrick brooks is the first great cover two olb (jack ham anybody?) I could go on and on but ill stop there.

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Don Hutson is a good pick but I'll go with Rashaun Woods.
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don hutson. the zone defense had to be invented just to cover him. unfortunately, people on this board don't have any understanding or respect for players thay played before 1999. even worse might be the people who don't think that johnny unitas is the best (and no worse than the second best) qb of all time. or those who really think that any runningback is better than jim brown was. or that derrick brooks is the first great cover two olb (jack ham anybody?) I could go on and on but ill stop there.
Its kind of impossible to quantify especially when you realise that i the 1940s the game was completley different and not just rules and offensive packages, but fitness levels, conferences, weather and venues the games were played in, quality of cornerbacks and safeties, pass rushes, quarterbacks, everything else, there's a thousand different variables.

Fine the guy might be a HOFer, but you need to stick to eras if you're going to compare players and their abilities.

It was a completely different age and a completley different game.
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