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Old 08-07-2008, 06:30 PM    (permalink
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To be fair Shaun Hill is atleast half decent.

Huh? When did this happen?
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SF should've drafted Colt Brennan. He wanted to play there.
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Huh? When did this happen?
He did more in three games then 'small hands' did in three seasons. Enough said.
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Good luck Vernon with Alex Smtih throwing you the ball... thats if Alex can throw the ball with his little hands
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He did more in three games then 'small hands' did in three seasons. Enough said.


Doing better than Alex Smith doesn't make you a decent QB.
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Is Vernon Davis more talented than all of them? Probably.

Has he proven it? Not even close.
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davis is a bust. there i said it. i don't care how "freakish" he was out of college and you can make excuses about the qb's and supporting cast but fact of the matter is he's just not a very good TE. could that change? probably. will it? probably not.
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First of all I would like to point out that Alex Smith's hands are normal sized

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Now as for the subject of Davis I don't think there is anything wrong with a little confidence but I will admit he takes it too far sometimes. Now he could very easily put up 800-900 yards and 8-9 touchdowns this year is Alex Smith stays healthy and Martz uses him like he says he will. However I think a more realistic prediction would be around 700 yards and 5 touchdowns. But that would still put him on the level of other elite tight ends like Cooley and Clark. I mean last year he put up 500 yards and 4 touchdowns in only 14 games with Trent Dilfer throwing him the ball most of the time and Jim Hostler calling the plays. He now has more experience under his belt and the situation around him has drastically improved since last season
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Vernon just likes to talk ****. Would you prefer if he said, "Man, I am going to go out there and try to be the worst player on the field"? And wasnt like 90% of this board in love with him when he was coming out?
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davis is a bust. there i said it. i don't care how "freakish" he was out of college and you can make excuses about the qb's and supporting cast but fact of the matter is he's just not a very good TE. could that change? probably. will it? probably not.
why isn't he? i'd say he is already a top 10 blocker in just his 3rd year in the league. last year he had to play under the worst offensive coordinator of all time with trent dilfer throwing him the ball and still caught 53 passes and 500+ yards. keep in mind that jim hostler kept him in to block over 60% of the time he was on the field.
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Another thing VD needs to realize...

He'll have a pathetic QB no matter who lines up behind center.
Don't forget Alex Smith's hands aren't even big enough to cup Davis' gargantuan ballsack.
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HAHAHA... Martz doesn't even put a TE on the field except on rare occassion. This is going to be interesting.
I agree, it will be very interesting to see how Martz utilizers Davis since his offense doesn't use a TE a whole lot.
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Vernon just likes to talk ****. Would you prefer if he said, "Man, I am going to go out there and try to be the worst player on the field"? And wasnt like 90% of this board in love with him when he was coming out?
relevance? Doesn't really matter what people thought coming out. No one argues that he is isn't still a physical freak, but what has he done with it? People still think he can be good, but to this point he hasn't been. I still expect him to be a real good TE, but he talks like he already is there, which is far from the truth
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Vernon just likes to talk ****. Would you prefer if he said, "Man, I am going to go out there and try to be the worst player on the field"? And wasnt like 90% of this board in love with him when he was coming out?
he doesn't talk ****, he's talking out of his ass. He has, as of now, done nothing significant in the NFL, so what gives him the right to talk like he's better than Gonzalez, Gates, Winslow and Witten. You can't talk the talk if you have been unable to walk the walk.
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VD is the most overrated player in the NFL right now. He's just not that good.
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Vernon just likes to talk ****. Would you prefer if he said, "Man, I am going to go out there and try to be the worst player on the field"? And wasnt like 90% of this board in love with him when he was coming out?
What a normal player would say?

"Those guys are all great players, but i think i could play just as well." Bam, no disrespecting the other guys, showed selfconfidence. What he did is just dumb
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davis is a bust. there i said it. i don't care how "freakish" he was out of college and you can make excuses about the qb's and supporting cast but fact of the matter is he's just not a very good TE. could that change? probably. will it? probably not.
Wow. Read those last two lines to yourself again and you might want to edit. You totally contradicted yourself by saying that it could probably change but it probably won't.

Bottom line about VD is this. He was drafted based on pure upside. If you don't recall, coming into the year Marcedes Lewis and Leonard Pope were the two top rated TE's in the 06 draft. Everyone knew VD was raw and would take a bit longer to develop. For those kinds of players you have to give them at least a year or two, AND at least two consecutive years in the SAME SYSTEM. Everyone talks about how Alex Smith has had a new coordinator every year, well so has VD.

Also, last year VD was not used in the same way as KWII, Gonzalez or Gates. He was a traditional TE that was not flexed out very often. That said, his stats were very respectable for a traditional TE. If you keep in mind that he has improved every year and is one of the hardest workers on the team, it's only natural that he is going to eventually get better. Davis actually stays out and works on individual drills longer than most other guys on the team and his drive to be great has been talked about by both Nolan and Martz.
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Either way I guess we will find out shortly wont we
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It's not that he just hyped himself up, he named the best tight ends in the game right now and said they are 'OK', when your talking big game like that you have to come with it...Winslow Jr talks confident like that, and it wouldn't surprise me to see him call a guy out, but he produces 1100 yd seasons and can line up as a WR and beat any defensive back, right now VD is just fast and huge...He's settin g himself up for alot of attention, and he better step up in a huge way for how he's talking.


He's nowhere close to those other TE's he listed, don't give me that "more talented" stuff because he was drafted higher or ran a faster 40, there is alot more to being a great TE then measurables and athletic ability.
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I think that coordinators are not given enough credit for adaptability. Martz will make the necessary changes to his playbook and make sure Davis is the number one target in the passing game. You do not become a renowned coordinator by being rigid.

I think the opportunity is there for Davis to be an elite TE; it comes down to how Alex Smith improves, if at all, and if he can master the offense from a mental standpoint.
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I think that coordinators are not given enough credit for adaptability. Martz will make the necessary changes to his playbook and make sure Davis is the number one target in the passing game. You do not become a renowned coordinator by being rigid.

I think the opportunity is there for Davis to be an elite TE; it comes down to how Alex Smith improves, if at all, and if he can master the offense from a mental standpoint.
Alex has had to learn a new playbook every year since being in the league. That's just too much. He should retire and go into coaching. He knows everyone's playbooks.

When a coordinator has to change/adapt, then he no longer is at his best. He's trying something new that he has no experience in. How things work theoretically versus how they work on the field doesn't always go as planned/hoped.

Now, no one can say that all coordinators are the same. Some adapt better than others... but for a guy like Martz who's now being bounced all over the place... he's obviously not "adapting" very well. Coordinators who don't adapt well, don't hold jobs very long.
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