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View Poll Results: Who is the worst out of these teams?
Jacksonville Jaguars 0 0%
Philadelphia Eagles 8 8.70%
New Orleans Saints 6 6.52%
Cleveland Browns 4 4.35%
Pittsburg Steelers 0 0%
Seattle Seahawks 17 18.48%
Green Bay Packers 14 15.22%
New York Giants 1 1.09%
Washington Redskins 38 41.30%
Minnesota Vikings 4 4.35%
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Old 08-10-2008, 02:15 PM    (permalink
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Tampa lost the last one by a 2 - 1 landslide. Here is the next vote.

32. Atlanta Falcons
31. Miami Dolphins
30. San Francisco 49ers
29. Kansas City Chiefs
28. Detroit Lions
27. Oakland Raiders
26. Denver Broncos
25. St. Louis Rams
24. Baltimore Ravens
23. New York Jets
22. Chicago Bears
21. Cincinnati Bengals
20. Carolina Panthers
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The Redskins were CLEARLY in 2nd place in that last poll. How the hell do 2 AFC South teams come off the board before 1 NFC East team?
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I'm still a little torn between the packers and skins but I think the skins get it just barely...also they were pretty firmly in 2nd place in the last one.
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SEAHAWKS! FTL! They are soooo much worse than the Redskins and the Packers
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The Redskins and Eagles are worse than the Titans and Texans, respectively, but who's still on the board?
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The Redskins and Eagles are worse than the Titans and Texans, respectively, but who's still on the board?
Redskins? Not Really. Eagles? NO WAY.

You're going to tell me that those 2 teams are better than a team with a top 3 defense and a top offense (Eagles have no problem moving the ball, just scoring it). The Eagles probably would have made the playoffs last year if they had a better special teams. This Year they add 3 young explosive players in DeSean Jackson, Lorenzo Booker, and Quintin Demps. And they improved ST coverage with players like LB Joe Mays and FB Luke Lawton.
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Redskins? Not Really. Eagles? NO WAY.

You're going to tell me that those 2 teams are better than a team with a top 3 defense and a top offense (Eagles have no problem moving the ball, just scoring it). The Eagles probably would have made the playoffs last year if they had a better special teams. This Year they add 3 young explosive players in DeSean Jackson, Lorenzo Booker, and Quintin Demps. And they improved ST coverage with players like LB Joe Mays and FB Luke Lawton.
The Titans have probably the best running game in the NFL to go along with a great defense, and Houston is a young, up-and-coming team with a lot of pieces on both sides of the ball. Their DL is going to be scary this year. The Redskins, OTOH, squeaked into the playoffs in a weak NFC on the strength of playing for the memory of a great player they no longer have, and have changed coaches, and the Eagles will go as McNabb and Westbrook go. If they can keep those two healthy, they'll be a good team, if not, it's going to be as bad or worse than last year for them.
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Since that's basically all their QB can do.
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The Titans have probably the best running game in the NFL to go along with a great defense, and Houston is a young, up-and-coming team with a lot of pieces on both sides of the ball. Their DL is going to be scary this year. The Redskins, OTOH, squeaked into the playoffs in a weak NFC on the strength of playing for the memory of a great player they no longer have, and have changed coaches, and the Eagles will go as McNabb and Westbrook go. If they can keep those two healthy, they'll be a good team, if not, it's going to be as bad or worse than last year for them.
I can agree the Titans have the best running game, but they have no WRs to speak of, they're worse than the Eagles WRs. Defense isn't dominate they have no CBs worthy of mention. A team like the Colts or the Pats are going to throw all over them.

Houston is nice but they still don't really have a great o-line or a #2 WR. The RB situation isn't great. The Defensive backfield needs some help and they need a good LE opposite Mario Williams.

The Redskins have a young QB and some veteran WRs along with Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas. Clinton Portis is as good as ever. The o-line is really good but it remains to be seen if they can remain healthy. The defense is good with the blossoming star playing FS in Laron Landry. They aren't sqeaking in the playoffs, they're a pretty good team.
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Since that's basically all their QB can do.
For my money I will still take the Vikings run game with a better O-Line, the best 1-2 RB tandem in the game and another scrambling QB who goes by the name Tarvaris Jackson.
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The Redskins and Eagles are worse than the Titans and Texans, respectively, but who's still on the board?
Are you kidding me. It's not even close. C'mon. The Eagles and Redskins blow away the Texans and are both better than the Titans. And clearly nfldc agrees with me. (the vote)
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Are you kidding me. It's not even close. C'mon. The Eagles and Redskins blow away the Texans and are both better than the Titans. And clearly nfldc agrees with me. (the vote)
Let me tell you something EAGLEZZZZ FANZZZZ, NFLDC also voted that Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless mind is a better movie then The Godfather. Needless to say they are not always right.
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I can agree the Titans have the best running game, but they have no WRs to speak of, they're worse than the Eagles WRs. Defense isn't dominate they have no CBs worthy of mention. A team like the Colts or the Pats are going to throw all over them.

Houston is nice but they still don't really have a great o-line or a #2 WR. The RB situation isn't great. The Defensive backfield needs some help and they need a good LE opposite Mario Williams.

The Redskins have a young QB and some veteran WRs along with Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas. Clinton Portis is as good as ever. The o-line is really good but it remains to be seen if they can remain healthy. The defense is good with the blossoming star playing FS in Laron Landry. They aren't sqeaking in the playoffs, they're a pretty good team.
Vince Young prefers throwing to his TEs anyway, and he has a pretty big name there (Crumpler), not to mention a pretty good young TE that was already there. Their OL is nasty, and their run game is great. The Titans have a solid front 7, which will make up for a weaker secondary more often than not.

As for the Texans, their offense still needs work, I agree, but their defense has a chance to be dominant with Amobi Okoye, Mario Williams, and DeMeco Ryans continuing to go in the right direction. Andre Johnson is a playmaker and can give that offense what they need to win a few games.

The Redskins are young on offense, and lack the passing game needed to take 8 out of the box for Portis, and their defense was solid last year...until they came up against a good QB.

Bottom line is, if the AFC South played the NFC East this year, I'd bet the AFC South would come away with more wins, which is why I don't understand how TWO AFC South teams came off the board before ONE NFC East team.
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Vince Young prefers throwing to his TEs anyway, and he has a pretty big name there (Crumpler), not to mention a pretty good young TE that was already there. Their OL is nasty, and their run game is great. The Titans have a solid front 7, which will make up for a weaker secondary more often than not.
such a big name that ATLANTA didn't want him......haha, sorry you made that one too easy....I'm not sure Crumpler has been good in a few years now.
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What makes their run game so great. Their leading rusher averaged 3.7 a touch last year. Just because Norm Chow had no confidence in VY and ran a lot doesn't mean that running was effective.
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Vince Young prefers throwing to his TEs anyway, and he has a pretty big name there (Crumpler), not to mention a pretty good young TE that was already there. Their OL is nasty, and their run game is great. The Titans have a solid front 7, which will make up for a weaker secondary more often than not.

As for the Texans, their offense still needs work, I agree, but their defense has a chance to be dominant with Amobi Okoye, Mario Williams, and DeMeco Ryans continuing to go in the right direction. Andre Johnson is a playmaker and can give that offense what they need to win a few games.

The Redskins are young on offense, and lack the passing game needed to take 8 out of the box for Portis, and their defense was solid last year...until they came up against a good QB.

Bottom line is, if the AFC South played the NFC East this year, I'd bet the AFC South would come away with more wins, which is why I don't understand how TWO AFC South teams came off the board before ONE NFC East team.

First of all i have no clue what makes you think or offense is young when im pretty sure we have one of the oldest offenses in the NFL. Second, you havent even seen how our passing game is going to be and you just assume its going to be lacking, yet you say the texans defense can be dominat??? Give me a break, and just for the record the Washington Redskins>Houston Texans and the Titans
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such a big name that ATLANTA didn't want him......haha, sorry you made that one too easy....I'm not sure Crumpler has been good in a few years now.
He was good under Vick, maybe he needs a mobile QB to be his most effective?
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Let me tell you something EAGLEZZZZ FANZZZZ, NFLDC also voted that Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless mind is a better movie then The Godfather. Needless to say they are not always right.
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So true, so so true...
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Now I get why there are no NFC East teams off the board and 2 AFC South teams off the board. Fanbases.
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There really aren't that many eagles and skins fans on these boards.
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As for the Texans, their offense still needs work, I agree, but their defense has a chance to be dominant with Amobi Okoye, Mario Williams, and DeMeco Ryans continuing to go in the right direction.
How do the the Texans have a good defense? They were 23rd in the league last year in total defense. Yes Mario and Demeco will be very good but they were very good last year. Okoye won't make a big enough impact just yet to even get them close to a mid-range defense. There's no doubt that they'll be in the bottom half of the league again next year. And as you said the offense needs some work. So a below average defense + a bad offense = a good team according to you?
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There really aren't that many eagles and skins fans on these boards.
Was that a joke? There are WAY more Eagles OR Redskins fans here than there are Titans AND Texans fans here.
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