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Old 02-19-2009, 07:33 PM    (permalink
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Wow. You lose a playoff game and have a horrible season, all while getting older and less capable, and are rewarded with three and a half million dollars per year.

If this goes through, Haynesworth is a MUST.
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it's not being rewarded. he's taking a pay cut from his 1 year left at 9M to 2 years at 3.5M . it's helping the team and he'll retire a Falcon. also at a lower cap hit he is easily going to be a 1st and 2nd down guy at WLB or SLB while we develop some guys behind him.
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He deserves to lose his job. He's keeping it.
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Personally I think it is more important to sign players that will help than to sign players so they retire with their team.... seriously, Brooking has been solid for a while, but not in recent years... Ill love to bring in Crowder and have them compete for the spot, because Brooking's spot should not be his because of his tenure to the team
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Brooking is going to be cheaper under this new deal by 5.5M this year. is he worth 3.5M? no. but is the 5.5M worth keeping him? yes.
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and at worst he can be a solid backup for all 3 spots.
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wow, Brooking just needs to retire. I have a bad feeling that this season he is really gonna make me more pissed off than last season.

Maybe signing Albert will make this ordeal go smoother.
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I dont believe your cap numbers Scar. Sorry. No offense to you or anything, but I have heard much more credible sources say that we are around the 20 million range, while the Bucs are at 40 million.

The only thing I have against Haynesworth is the fact that he won't grow with the team. If we sign him, we have about 3-4 years to use his full potential with our team, meaning our offense has to progress very well (which is a complete possibility). If we can get him though, and our offense progresses (or even stays around the same lol. look at sig), I do not see why a Superbowl win would be out of reach. Haynesworth is a crazy difference maker and would single handedly vault our defense into the top half of the league.
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again, they're wrong.
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do you have a link? NO. sooooo yea.
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http://life.atlantafalcons.com/lofiv.../t3832918.html

I joined these forums recently, but if i am not mistaken... iloxygenil was definetly somebody people had some conflicts with, right???
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do you have a link? NO. sooooo yea.
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Props for the time it takes to put something like that together and i dont doubt the big media outlets miss some of the time as they dont put maximum effort into researching but i really do doubt they are all wrong by half like your saying. Im sure the media keep their own records of contracts sign and things like that.

And also, who is not to say that the bucs dont have 60 mil in cap space, heck that could have 80 mil in space if the media is only half right.

Anyway we need to take a hard line with Brooking, he can stay but as a back up and i would look to go down to 2 million p/year...either way you put it, a 5.5 million pay cut has to hurt...i bet Mrs Brooking doesnt like it lol.


WOW afmb say that John Henderson is being shopped this offseason. He has a large contract and is 30...but dude is a beast, TD got Moss for a 4th, imagine signing Haynesworth and trading a 4th for Henderson...now thats beef
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Frankly, having Brooking around for $3mill or so would not be a problem - as long as he is given competition (one he would presumably lose) for his starting position.

And yes, we really need Albert. He'd make a monumental difference. Our D-line would go from average to top 10 instantly. Any linebacker gets better behind Haynesworth, and the secondary has to cover for less.

Just this nagging concern that his production will tail off, but I'm hopeful that Ray Hamilton can keep him on his toes (as he did with Stroud and Henderson).
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Looks like another year of Brooking in a Falcons uni and his whining haters having to deal with it. What would be really funny is if the Falcons draft a LB who is similar to a young Brooking: James Laurinaitis. The Falcons could potentially start Laurinaitis, Lofton and Nicholas with Brooking being a versatile backup off the bench. At this point I'm hoping the Falcons draft an OT in the first, but seeing them draft Laurinaitis would be funny just for the fact that Brooking haters would have to deal with a similar player for another 5 or more years. :D
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Looks like another year of Brooking in a Falcons uni and his whining haters having to deal with it. What would be really funny is if the Falcons draft a LB who is similar to a young Brooking: James Laurinaitis. The Falcons could potentially start Laurinaitis, Lofton and Nicholas with Brooking being a versatile backup off the bench. At this point I'm hoping the Falcons draft an OT in the first, but seeing them draft Laurinaitis would be funny just for the fact that Brooking haters would have to deal with a similar player for another 5 or more years. :D
an OT in the first?...why? to replace our retired backup or to replace one of the linemen who cut their allowed sacks buy 2/3 last year and blocked for the NFL's 3rd leading rusher. Makes no sense.

Brooking and Laurenitis are too soft for our scheme, its mentality more than size IMO, Channing Crowder makes no plays, just like brooking, but he is soo much more physical really throws his 250lb body around. There are plenty of guys in the draft with a physical mentality
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Falcons GM Thomas Dimitroff indicated Friday that the his team will not be a major player in the running for free agent Albert Haynesworth.
"We're stepping back and being cautious," the GM said. "Our aim is not to be a major player in free agency, but to continue to focus on (the draft)." It's early yet, but the stars seem to be aligning for a Haynesworth-Bucs marriage.
Source: Charlotte Observer

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an OT in the first?...why? to replace our retired backup or to replace one of the linemen who cut their allowed sacks buy 2/3 last year and blocked for the NFL's 3rd leading rusher. Makes no sense.

Brooking and Laurenitis are too soft for our scheme, its mentality more than size IMO, Channing Crowder makes no plays, just like brooking, but he is soo much more physical really throws his 250lb body around. There are plenty of guys in the draft with a physical mentality
The "physical mentality" is also called the 'more athletic, less disciplined, less versatile, more hard hits, more missed tackles mentality'. LB's like Brooking and Laurinatis have a place in the NFL. That's why they stick around and start in the NFL for a long time under multiple coaching staffs in multiple schemes.

The Falcons need an OT in the first because:

1, Todd Weiner retired.
2. Having 3 quality OTs in a good thing.
3. Tyson Clabo is also a guard. In fact, he's listed on the official roster as a guard. Therefore drafting an OT provides depth along the whole line.
4. Sam Baker's durability is a question
5. The Falcons just drafted their long term starting QB last year. Now's a good time to bring in an OT who can help Ryan out for the next decade or so.
6. This draft looks pretty good at OT.
7. Matt Ryan was sacked 3 times in the Arizona playoff loss. All three of the sacks were by DE's. The OT's overall played terrible in that game...and that was before Weiner retired.

I could keep going.
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Maybe so. I was going to post the link that DMH talked about earlier.

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http://blogs.charlotte.com/panthers/...bine-talk.html

I don't mind it either way. Signing Haynesworth makes us an instant contender. Building through the draft and signing mid level FA allows them to grow with us, thus keeping in tact one of the best team chemistrys in the league (while making us better for the long run).
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The "physical mentality" is also called the 'more athletic, less disciplined, less versatile, more hard hits, more missed tackles mentality'. LB's like Brooking and Laurinatis have a place in the NFL. That's why they stick around and start in the NFL for a long time under multiple coaching staffs in multiple schemes.

The Falcons need an OT in the first because:

1, Todd Weiner retired.
2. Having 3 quality OTs in a good thing.
3. Tyson Clabo is also a guard. In fact, he's listed on the official roster as a guard. Therefore drafting an OT provides depth along the whole line.
4. Sam Baker's durability is a question
5. The Falcons just drafted their long term starting QB last year. Now's a good time to bring in an OT who can help Ryan out for the next decade or so.
6. This draft looks pretty good at OT.
7. Matt Ryan was sacked 3 times in the Arizona playoff loss. All three of the sacks were by DE's. The OT's overall played terrible in that game...and that was before Weiner retired.

I could keep going.
they were all by Bert Berry and they were either stunts inside (making it Dahl and Blalock's fault) or they were the kind where Ryan held onto the ball for too long.
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The "physical mentality" is also called the 'more athletic, less disciplined, less versatile, more hard hits, more missed tackles mentality'. LB's like Brooking and Laurinatis have a place in the NFL. That's why they stick around and start in the NFL for a long time under multiple coaching staffs in multiple schemes.

The Falcons need an OT in the first because:

1, Todd Weiner retired.
2. Having 3 quality OTs in a good thing.
3. Tyson Clabo is also a guard. In fact, he's listed on the official roster as a guard. Therefore drafting an OT provides depth along the whole line.
4. Sam Baker's durability is a question
5. The Falcons just drafted their long term starting QB last year. Now's a good time to bring in an OT who can help Ryan out for the next decade or so.
6. This draft looks pretty good at OT.
7. Matt Ryan was sacked 3 times in the Arizona playoff loss. All three of the sacks were by DE's. The OT's overall played terrible in that game...and that was before Weiner retired.

I could keep going.
And we should make this a priority over the defense that was ranked in the 20s for total yardage, rushing yardage allowed, and passing yardage allowed? The defense that let up a 70 yard TD, a 50 yard TD, and couldn't hold their own on a 3rd and 16 with the season on the line?

No thanks. Maybe in the 3rd-5th rounds, but definitely not the first.
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And we should make this a priority over the defense that was ranked in the 20s for total yardage, rushing yardage allowed, and passing yardage allowed? The defense that let up a 70 yard TD, a 50 yard TD, and couldn't hold their own on a 3rd and 16 with the season on the line?

No thanks. Maybe in the 3rd-5th rounds, but definitely not the first.
Filling the need for an OT can be accomplished in one pick. Filling the needs on defense will require multiple picks/signings. Drafting a OT in the first doesn't stop the team from filling needs on defense. In the NFL teams can only take one player per pick. OT is the position I lean towards at this point, but it's not like the draft is tomorrow. ;)
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no OT is worth our first unless Oher falls.
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no OT is worth our first unless Oher falls.
Andre Smith is going to fall by proving he's a RT with attitude problems.

Nah, I'm bullshi'in, but I really have no idea if there's a tackle after the 'big 4' that is worth the Falcons pick. I really haven't followed this draft close enough to this point to get a feel for who will be the best player at a position of need for the Falcons when they pick. I just know OT is the position I'm leaning towards.
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Maybe a smoke screen, who knows.

Hope so. No Haynesworth and talking about bringing back Milloy and Brooking? Ugh. Other then another year of development for someone like Lofton, we'd be sending out the same D.
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