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we have a lot of options, if some guys fall, the best thing to do would be trade down in the late 1st/early 2nd, and pick up so more picks to fill other needs.
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Lawyer Milloy, the Falcons’ starting safety the last three seasons, will not be returning to the team.

Milloy, 35, one of the team’s top tacklers, will pursue signing with other teams when free agency starts on Friday.

They have interviewed Alabama’s Rashad Johnson and Missouri’s William Moore. They also are scouting Western Michigan’s Louis Delmas closely.

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Chris Baker, the former New York Jets tight end, wouldn't be a bad pickup at tight end if a good valuie is not available in the draft.
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Well, now we need to draft a safety 2nd round latest unless we pick one up, and IDK which ones are going to be in our radar. I like Delmas A LOT, and I say if we can trade down to an early 2nd round and still get him, we should do it, especially if our higher-projected players have been picked. Then, we can get another pick and have Delmas and possibly a TE in the 2nd if we dont get 1 thru FA. I like the TE Cook a lot
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Dimintroff has shown he will reach on players, so Delmas may be a possibility.

If we still like one of our safties in the box despite running a cover 2, I really like Patrick Chung. William Moore not so much.

Reading an article about Pettigrew, I really doubt he is available for us when we pick. English may or may not be available.

As of right now, if we stay put, I think the most likely choices are Delmas, Cushing, Laurinitis, and Larry English.

Cornerback has kind of went off the radar, but I wouldn't mind one. Alphonso Smith is a Asante Samuel clone and I am a big fan of DJ Moore.
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I wonder if we are looking at Gibril Wilson in FA.
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Very possible. I would like the move.
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CB is not a need. with Foxy and Houston, we're good. hell Houston only allowed a 12% completion percentage against when the NFL average is 24%.
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CB is not a need. with Foxy and Houston, we're good. hell Houston only allowed a 12% completion percentage against when the NFL average is 24%.
Foxworth is a free agent.

It's not a guarentee we bring him back. It is probable, but remember we give up a higher draft pick if we do not re-sign him.

On the other hand, I expect him to be back due to our moves so far this offseason. It seems we will attempt to keep solid starters on the team, and then just replace the underperforming players. This rather than trying to improve on average positions.
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Gibril Wilson would be a good signing, the Raiders made a mistake releasing him. I also still think we have a shot at Haynesworth, possible smoke thrown out by the Front Office.
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Foxworth is a free agent.

It's not a guarentee we bring him back. It is probable, but remember we give up a higher draft pick if we do not re-sign him.

On the other hand, I expect him to be back due to our moves so far this offseason. It seems we will attempt to keep solid starters on the team, and then just replace the underperforming players. This rather than trying to improve on average positions.
actually the draft pick was based on playing time. NOT whether or not we re-sign him.
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actually the draft pick was based on playing time. NOT whether or not we re-sign him.
The way i heard it was it was a 7th rounder and if we re-sign him we would give up a 6th rounder.
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I've read different on other links.

Anyways, Larry English ran a 4.90 today. Forty times are not vital for a defensive end, but apparently I have/ had the wrong impression on English. I thought he was a very athletic defensive end who put on weight. I do not want another defensive end who gains weight to be an every down defensive end, and in doing so loses his pass rush ability.

I can still see English being a Derrick Harvey type (Harvey, like English, came in heavy at last years combine), but a 4.90 is slow. Tamba Hali was another comparison I read, not sure about that one. Hali was never considered a top athlete and has faltered since a good rookie season.

It is a possible pick, but considering we run such a heavy rotation, we don't really need all around ends. We need specialists for both the run and the pass. Right now the Falcons only have one pass rush specialist, and that is a over 30 defensive end who is injury prone in John Abraham.
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40's mean nothing for DE's. and even still he's in the top 20 for the 40's. a better measure for DE athleticism are the 3-cone drill and the short shuttle. he had a 7.26 3-cone and a 4.38 short shuttle. he was in the top for those 2 drills of all DE's. He is more than worthy or being a pass rusher and in the pass rushing drill today he impressed me more than anyone else. English is a John Abraham type DE who will never play OLB for anyone.
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Barwin Connor is a guy who is really intriguing. After being the team's top tight end (31 catches, 300 yards, 2-3 TDs), he switched over to DE and recorded 15 TFL and 11 sacks. His numbers in the combine are ridiculous. #2 40, #1 vertical, #1 broad jump, #1 3 cone, #1 20. He is a straight up football player, but is kind of raw at DE. He might be a better fit at 3-4 OLB where he gets to play in space. If he doesn't put up good numbers as a 4-3 DE (which is what could easily happen), fans will be calling for his head. He does provide a possible red zone target though.

And Larry English's 40 time has nothing to do with how effective he will be. Defensive lineman hardly run 40 yards at a time, and he is #4 for 20 and #8 for 3 cone (the difference between #1 and #8 is 4 tenths of a second). His stock is improving a lot and seems to be a top 20 maybe top 15 pick.
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40's mean nothing for DE's. and even still he's in the top 20 for the 40's. a better measure for DE athleticism are the 3-cone drill and the short shuttle. he had a 7.26 3-cone and a 4.38 short shuttle. he was in the top for those 2 drills of all DE's. He is more than worthy or being a pass rusher and in the pass rushing drill today he impressed me more than anyone else. English is a John Abraham type DE who will never play OLB for anyone.
English is nothing like Abraham. He is a three down defensive end with this new weight, who has some pass rushing moves. He is not a guy who will get twelve + sacks a season.

The only similarities he has with Abraham is a variety of pass rush moves and injury concerns.
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Barwin Connor is a guy who is really intriguing. After being the team's top tight end (31 catches, 300 yards, 2-3 TDs), he switched over to DE and recorded 15 TFL and 11 sacks. His numbers in the combine are ridiculous. #2 40, #1 vertical, #1 broad jump, #1 3 cone, #1 20. He is a straight up football player, but is kind of raw at DE. He might be a better fit at 3-4 OLB where he gets to play in space. If he doesn't put up good numbers as a 4-3 DE (which is what could easily happen), fans will be calling for his head. He does provide a possible red zone target though.

And Larry English's 40 time has nothing to do with how effective he will be. Defensive lineman hardly run 40 yards at a time, and he is #4 for 20 and #8 for 3 cone (the difference between #1 and #8 is 4 tenths of a second). His stock is improving a lot and seems to be a top 20 maybe top 15 pick.
Four tenths of a second is significant.

The 40 is not major for a defensive end, but it is a reflection of athleticism. The top athletes at defensive end generally register a good time, the less athletic ones generally do not. 4.9 is straight up slow. An offensive lineman this season beat that.

I'll take him on the team, but he isn't my top choice.
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English isn't a good comparison at all for John. I know his 40 wasn't close to Abraham's but Aaron Maybin is probably the best comparison this year. Extremely quick, explosive first step and undersized. (Abraham mentioned that his rookie season he was about 245.)

And Michael Johnson. I'm still on the kid's train. 6'7 266 4.75. He's going to be a good one.
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Abraham was quite the freak coming out. 6'4" 250 4.4/4.5.

If the Falcons had a reliable starter at left defensive end I would not mind Maybin at all. Maybin will take a bit to develop.

But I do think Maybin would just be hitting his stride when Abraham begins to decline.

I don't want to trade up, but if we do I would love Brian Orakpo. He and Abraham would be a monster combination.
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Abraham was quite the freak coming out. 6'4" 250 4.4/4.5.

If the Falcons had a reliable starter at left defensive end I would not mind Maybin at all. Maybin will take a bit to develop.

But I do think Maybin would just be hitting his stride when Abraham begins to decline.

I don't want to trade up, but if we do I would love Brian Orakpo. He and Abraham would be a monster combination.

Yes it would. Orakpo would be incredible. Big fan of him as well. My thinking on someone like Maybin is that we can rotate him with Jamaal. Any first and long or obvious passing down, just slide him in there. Then when Abe is done/3rd down specialist only, Maybin starts at RE.
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These are the players Ive come to like a lot more b/c of their combine performance

Jared Cook (TE, South Carolina)
Lydon Murtha (OL, Nebraska)
Lawrence Sidbury Jr (DE, Richmond; on the shorter side, but some shorter guys are excellent, and he is pretty damn good)

Im not saying those are who we should pick, just some that have given me more interest b/c of the combine
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By D. ORLANDO LEDBETTER

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Monday, February 23, 2009

Linebacker Keith Brooking, a five-time Pro Bowl player, appears headed for free agency, according to his agent.

“We had multiple conversations this weekend with the Falcons regarding their interest in re-signing Keith,” Pat Dye Jr. wrote in an e-mail to the Journal-Constitution. “At this time, I think both sides are struggling a little bit to assess his market value.”


If the two sides can’t reach a deal by Friday, Brooking, who’s played his entire career with the Falcons and is the last remaining player from the 1998 Super Bowl team, would hit the open market.

“It may take exploring his options in free agency to give us all a better sense of where he is in the current universe of NFL linebackers,” Dye said. “Our discussions with the Falcons will be ongoing during this process.”

Brooking had a playing time clause in his contract. He surpassed the amount of playing time and that made the last year of his seven-year, $41 million contract void.
What a tool. Complete an utter tool. He was lucky to get any offer from us at all.

Get me Channing Crowder Mr Dimitroff...a real thumping SLB. He is also quote good in coverage for a 6"2 250lb wrecking ball
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great news that keith brooking might be gone now. I still hope we can sign Fat Albert.
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Yes it would. Orakpo would be incredible. Big fan of him as well. My thinking on someone like Maybin is that we can rotate him with Jamaal. Any first and long or obvious passing down, just slide him in there. Then when Abe is done/3rd down specialist only, Maybin starts at RE.
I agree with this. I would not be upset to see us draft any of the pass-rushers, whichever might fall. Johnson and Maybin are both particularly interesting. They have huge upside, but are raw, and would be able to develop behind Abraham, while contributing on 3rd down by replacing Anderson.

By the way, for DT, I REALLY like Roy Miller for NT in the 3rd or 4th. Not a fabulous athlete, but seriously strong, has great leverage for NT, and is a major hustle player. The biggest reason any DT fails is lack of effort. That is not going to be a problem with Miller.

Not particularly fussed whether Brooking goes or stays. What is clear is that we only want him back on the cheap, so at least I don't think we'll overpay him. If someone else will overpay, so be it.

I really think that Nicholas has a chance to start next year, as Coach Smith in fact said. So perhaps we only need one starting calibre LB (either FA or first day of the draft), and then some depth in the later rounds.
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