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Old 07-28-2009, 10:28 PM    (permalink
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so we release David Irons. Corners are an interesting topic.


Grimes, Brent.... 5-8.. 185.. 26yrs
Middleton, William.... 5-10.. 193.. 23yrs
Houston, Chris.... 5-11.. 175.. 24yrs
Hutchins, Von.... 5-10.. 185.. 28yrs
Jackson, Chevis.... 5-11.. 185.. 23yrs
Sharpe, Glenn.... 6-0.. 185.. 25yrs
Owens, Christopher.... 5-10.. 195.. 23yrs

I'd say glenn sharpe is gone, but do we keep 6? Or is anyone else getting the boot?

The depth chart is very interesting. Im sure Chris Houston is our #1, but after that it gets tricky.
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Dude. That's a terrifying post if I have ever seen one. Our CBs are going to have to play out of their minds and hopefully we can bring a good pass rush every down, even the ones where Abe is sitting or double teamed. I heard Von Hutchins is moving to safety (vaguely. don't quote me on this). I don't understand why we didn't make a push for Lito Sheppard. ANYTHING would be something good.

I really liked Foxworth last year. He was a young guy who was going to get better. Its a shame he had to go to BAL. I think he could turn out to be a top 15 CB.
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Man I was pissed as **** when Foxworth signed with Baltimore. He is so damn good, definitely better than Chris Houston in my opinion. The great thing here when you look at these CBs is that watching them compete will be fun as ****.
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the defense is gonna be really porous, i'm afraid. houston as the #1 seriously worries me because he just doesn't have the instincts and playmaking ability. houston seems to panic when beat and commits some dumb penalites. hopefully he's maturing as a player but i really don't like him covering colston, smith, and other top receivers. it's just gonna put more pressure on the safeties and not allow them to be physical in the box where run support will be needed. hopefully owens is special and will be a solid #2 for us. chevis showed what he could do last year as a nickel.

i'm looking forward to a lot of shootouts this year and some creative defensive schemes to make up for our lack of talent.

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Looking at the defensive line, they have articles on every positions now on AF.com.

They're saying Kroy Bierrman has bulked up pretty nicely from last year. He's listed at 260lbs, which is great weight for our RDE. I think he was like 242lbs when we drafted him last year.

Jamaal Anderson is at 289.
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This Roddy White holdout is a pain. He wants 9 million a year and Schefter reports that the hold out might not be over with soon, which could make sense seeing that TD is a former Patriot.

He needs to be paid (he is making 2-3 mil this upcoming season), and I think between 7-9 million a year for about 4-5 years should be good. Hopefully his absence gives more of an opportunity for other guys at camp, but at the same time, hopefully he can get signed quickly and be back on the field; he is very important to the team.
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Roddy will get paid. I doubt it takes longer than a week.
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Contract extension in the best interest for Falcons, White
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The Falcons are three days into training camp and quarterback Matt Ryan's No. 1 target, wide receiver Roddy White, remains a holdout.

White, who is entering the final year of a rookie contract that will pay him $2.9 million this season, wants an extension -- and the Falcons want to give him one. However, money has gotten in the way.
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White, a Pro Bowler last season and an emerging talent who has had consecutive 1,200-plus yard seasons -- with 2,584 yards and 13 touchdowns since 2007 -- is seeking more than the $9 million average and $16 million guaranteed Packers wideout Greg Jennings received in a three-year extension this summer (with escalators it can climb to $30 million).

The Falcons had hoped to reach a deal well before now, but they don't want the dollars to venture into Larry Fitzgerald territory -- which clearly White's demands must be broaching since an accord has not been finalized. Fitzgerald signed a four-year, $40 million deal last summer.


An argument could be made that White doesn't deserve what he's asking for since he's only had a legit two-year body of work during his four-year career. That said, take White out of Atlanta's lineup and here is the domino effect: No. 1 wide receiver -- Michael Jenkins; No. 2 -- Harry Douglas; No. 3 -- Brian Finneran. To have a young talent such as Ryan at quarterback without a compliment like White on the outside will allow defenses to stack the line of scrimmage to stop tailback Michael Turner and double-team tight end Tony Gonzalez.

Ryan might be good, but if you allow defenses the luxury of simplifying what they do in order to bottle up Turner and Gonzalez, he might not look as good as he did as a rookie. The presence of White forces teams to decide whether to double him or Gonzalez, leaving one in single coverage and/or a soft spot on the defense for Turner to gash.

Several players from around the league have told me that White has really emerged as one of the bigger threats over the past two seasons. He's big, he's strong and he's one of the toughest wide receivers to bring down, which is why the strength of his game is catching intermediate balls and handling things from there. White also has the breakaway speed and hands to make tough catches on deep routes.

White's development could get skewed if a deal is not reached. His first two seasons in the NFL, he was not nearly as focused and committed as he has been in recent seasons -- and the results prove as much. If a deal is not reached and White reports disgruntled, this distraction could be highly counter-productive. A former teammate told me last week that White is a far different person and player than he was early in his career, but that this contract issue is weighing heavily on him.

The Falcons do have some leverage in that White could eventually cave and play without a new deal -- and be tagged with a franchise tender next season or sign a long-term deal at some point before then. Should the NFL and the NFLPA not complete a new labor pact, making the 2010 season an uncapped year, White also would be a restricted free agent because he has less than six years of service. That would allow Atlanta to cripple his mobility by requiring interested teams to give up at least a first-round pick in order to sign him.

It doesn't look like things are headed in that direction, though. One of the reasons why there has not been an acrimonious tone during the holdout is because both sides want to get a deal done. I've spoken to some people who believe something could get completed by the end of the week, although that is more speculation than inside intelligence since the Falcons and White's representation are keeping things private.

The Falcons are known for taking care of the players they want and paying them accordingly. Owner Arthur Blank has developed a reputation as someone players want to play for while making his franchise a destination point for players. There has not been an abundance of contract issues or holdouts with veteran players under Blank's ownership. That history and White's value to the team are signals that the sides will eventually come together.

Until then, White is losing $16,000 a day and the Falcons are training without their most dangerous big-play threat.





I think a Jennings deal + a little more is fair.
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Oh and

Flowery Branch — Falcons coach Mike Smith acknowledged that Jamaal Anderson, the eighth player taken in the 2007 draft, is in a fight for his starting position.

Defensive end Chauncey Davis, who re-signed with the team during free agency, is Anderson’s chief competitor.

“That’s accurate to say,” Smith said Monday when asked if Davis was fighting for Anderson’s spot. “We made a commitment to Chauncey in the offseason. We think that you’ve got to have rotational players. You’ve got to have guys that are cross-trained.”



What a pathetic piece of ****. Can't wait to see Abe/Sidbury on 3rd downs, with say Chauncey and Babs on the inside.
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Yea, what a bust. Surrounded by Calvin Johnson, Adrian Peterson, Joe Thomas, Pat Willis. Even Gaines Adams or Levi Brown would have been good lol.
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And Roddy needs to be paid. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. He is a top receiver in the league and an invaluable piece part of Matt Ryan's success.
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i doubt arthur blank won't pay him what he deserves. the fact that everyone seems so chill about the holdout proves white will be signed. i think the front office are just playing tough.

although i live about 15 miles from flowery branch, i haven't been able to go any TC practices. but from what i hear brent grimes is our #2 cb, practicing with the first string defense. BUT i hear the rookie owens is really impressing and will probably take the starting job opposite houston.
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i doubt arthur blank won't pay him what he deserves. the fact that everyone seems so chill about the holdout proves white will be signed. i think the front office are just playing tough.

although i live about 15 miles from flowery branch, i haven't been able to go any TC practices. but from what i hear brent grimes is our #2 cb, practicing with the first string defense. BUT i hear the rookie owens is really impressing and will probably take the starting job opposite houston.
Buford, GA? I was there in flowery branch in May, and man, there really is nothing around there.

But I don't think White should get paid that much money. I think he is good and has talent, but that type of money is alot.
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But I don't think White should get paid that much money. I think he is good and has talent, but that type of money is alot.
And that is what he deserves. He was the only working part of our offense in 2007, and was huge again in 2008 with a real QB. He is a big boon to Matt Ryan's development and the offenses success. Not to mention he is not a diva, he loves the team and the team loves him.

The other top young receivers in the NFL are getting paid as such as well. And Roddy is better than Greg Jennings. Roddy has everything a receiver needs to excel, the only issue is he seldom drops easy passes. Other than that, he has it all. Speed, athleticism, size, strength, route running, playmaking ability, etc.. And most importantly a connection with Matt Ryan.
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And that is what he deserves. He was the only working part of our offense in 2007, and was huge again in 2008 with a real QB. He is a big boon to Matt Ryan's development and the offenses success. Not to mention he is not a diva, he loves the team and the team loves him.

The other top young receivers in the NFL are getting paid as such as well. And Roddy is better than Greg Jennings. Roddy has everything a receiver needs to excel, the only issue is he seldom drops easy passes. Other than that, he has it all. Speed, athleticism, size, strength, route running, playmaking ability, etc.. And most importantly a connection with Matt Ryan.

But for 9 million a year, I expect alot more. Plus I think it works both ways. His career took a major step with Ryan coming in. I also think now with the addition of Gonzo, the offense will be alot better, and fine. Not to mention alot of the plays from what I saw seem to be passes to the TE, alot of screens, and short game.

I think Jennings for overpaid for 1 1000+ season. I would want to see more from him as well.
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But for 9 million a year, I expect alot more. Plus I think it works both ways. His career took a major step with Ryan coming in. I also think now with the addition of Gonzo, the offense will be alot better, and fine. Not to mention alot of the plays from what I saw seem to be passes to the TE, alot of screens, and short game.

I think Jennings for overpaid for 1 1000+ season. I would want to see more from him as well.
Wrong =/. IMO of course.

1.) Expect a lot more? He has 171 receptions, 2,584 receiving yards, 13 touchdowns in the past two seasons. He did it with Joey Harrington, Byron Leftwich, Chris Redman, and a rookie QB in a rushing offense. Not to mention he causes no problems in the lockeroom.

2.) His career took a major step with Bobby Petrino coming in, along with some of his younger family coming to live with him. He matured and became a hard worker. He was producing before Matt Ryan got there.

3.) Gonzo is a tight end. He isn't Roddy White. He doesn't stretch the defense vertically, doesn't get a short pass and take it to the house. Gonzo is great to have, but a number one tight end is not a number one receiver. See the problems KC and SD had finding WRs with their TE being number one. It was tough. Atm we don't have that problem.

4.) Yes, no doubt Gonz will be utilized. But Mularkey is still a proponant of the vertical passing game.

5.) If Roddy is gone, then Jenkins is our number one. Finn slides to the number two slot, Douglas in the slot. No thanks. I already have questions about Jenks at the two spot.

6.) Same deal with Jennings. Pay me now or pay me later. The only differences? Later I have a shot to get injured, later I have a shot to sign with another team, later I get more money. Better to just pay them now. It's not like they had one season of promise.

These are all just opinions of course.
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Wrong =/. IMO of course.

1.) Expect a lot more? He has 171 receptions, 2,584 receiving yards, 13 touchdowns in the past two seasons. He did it with Joey Harrington, Byron Leftwich, Chris Redman, and a rookie QB in a rushing offense. Not to mention he causes no problems in the lockeroom.

2.) His career took a major step with Bobby Petrino coming in, along with some of his younger family coming to live with him. He matured and became a hard worker. He was producing before Matt Ryan got there.

3.) Gonzo is a tight end. He isn't Roddy White. He doesn't stretch the defense vertically, doesn't get a short pass and take it to the house. Gonzo is great to have, but a number one tight end is not a number one receiver. See the problems KC and SD had finding WRs with their TE being number one. It was tough. Atm we don't have that problem.

4.) Yes, no doubt Gonz will be utilized. But Mularkey is still a proponant of the vertical passing game.

5.) If Roddy is gone, then Jenkins is our number one. Finn slides to the number two slot, Douglas in the slot. No thanks. I already have questions about Jenks at the two spot.

6.) Same deal with Jennings. Pay me now or pay me later. The only differences? Later I have a shot to get injured, later I have a shot to sign with another team, later I get more money. Better to just pay them now. It's not like they had one season of promise.

These are all just opinions of course.


Expect more as in production. He still has room to improve and to be considered elite. I think he is a good wr, who has a lot of potential, but I wouldn't consider him elite or a superstar by any means. He had 1 1,200 years season before Ryan got there, and then managed to have his best season yet this past year. Ideally I would have liked to see him play out this season, and if he had the same results where he did well, I would have paid him based the consistency.

Gonzo is as good as a # 1 WR. That's why he is the debate for the best TE ever to play the game. He produces like a # 1 WR, which for a TE, is simply amazing!! How the hell does a TE get 1,200 yards ever! That shouldn't ever happen unless you are just flat out amazing! Gonzo can stretch the field vertically and horizontally just as well as anyone. Plus he catches everything thrown his way. I think when I was at the falcons ota, I didn't see him drop 1 pass. It's like he had glue on his gloves.

He can be a proponent of a vertical passing game, but nearly everything ran and being practiced was short stuff, and screens. It would seem that the offense will be based on screens, running the ball, play action, short to intermediate game, and then stretching the field with both White and Gonzo for the deeper stuff. This will take the pressure off of ryan, and allow him to pick his spots, because Turner and Norwood would do the rest. I'd expect a lot of screens as well.

I was impressed with that guy Douglas as well. He is a short guy but he made a lot of plays during the OTAs from what I can remember.

The problem is one really good season and all these guys look at score big as if they are elite. Not just White, but other wrs. I want to see consistency before paying a player, but maybe those days are done.. All it takes is 1 good year, and then they get paid. If that's the case I want the rookie pay scale fixed, which would then effect and lower all the other levels for established players.
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Expect more as in production. He still has room to improve and to be considered elite. I think he is a good wr, who has a lot of potential, but I wouldn't consider him elite or a superstar by any means. He had 1 1,200 years season before Ryan got there, and then managed to have his best season yet this past year. Ideally I would have liked to see him play out this season, and if he had the same results where he did well, I would have paid him based the consistency.

He has only been in the league four years. Breaking out year three is not unusual for a wide receiver. He is arguably on the cusp of being a top five WR, although he probably is around 6-8 on most lists, which is rather close to elite.

Gonzo is as good as a # 1 WR. That's why he is the debate for the best TE ever to play the game. He produces like a # 1 WR, which for a TE, is simply amazing!! How the hell does a TE get 1,200 yards ever! That shouldn't ever happen unless you are just flat out amazing! Gonzo can stretch the field vertically and horizontally just as well as anyone. Plus he catches everything thrown his way. I think when I was at the falcons ota, I didn't see him drop 1 pass. It's like he had glue on his gloves.

Maybe, but he still isn't Roddy. He doesn't do the same things. Yes, Gonz has amazing hands, great route runner. Gets open. And can block. But he is a tight end. And at this point he isn't going to be hauling in many fifty yard passes.

He can be a proponent of a vertical passing game, but nearly everything ran and being practiced was short stuff, and screens. It would seem that the offense will be based on screens, running the ball, play action, short to intermediate game, and then stretching the field with both White and Gonzo for the deeper stuff. This will take the pressure off of ryan, and allow him to pick his spots, because Turner and Norwood would do the rest. I'd expect a lot of screens as well.

I would almost guarentee this is because we are opening our playbook up. We can do many things with Gonzo as our tight end that were not favorable with Peele out there. I'm sure they put an emphasis on Gonzalez and plays we didn't run last year.

I was impressed with that guy Douglas as well. He is a short guy but he made a lot of plays during the OTAs from what I can remember.

He is a player, but a slot. He doesn't have number one NFL potential in all liklihood. Still a valuable player.

The problem is one really good season and all these guys look at score big as if they are elite. Not just White, but other wrs. I want to see consistency before paying a player, but maybe those days are done.. All it takes is 1 good year, and then they get paid. If that's the case I want the rookie pay scale fixed, which would then effect and lower all the other levels for established players.
This is true, but it is the way of the game. Roddy has had two back to back great seasons, and that's not likely to change with Matt Ryan at the helm and the other weapons in the offense. It's not a very risky signing. Better to sign him now, rather than potentially mess up the future by having him hold out and wreck relations between him and the team. The longer we wait the more he will get paid. Just maybe not by us.

There's too much risk for now and the future if he isn't signed before the season.
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Buford, GA? I was there in flowery branch in May, and man, there really is nothing around there.

But I don't think White should get paid that much money. I think he is good and has talent, but that type of money is alot.
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nearly everything ran and being practiced was short stuff, and screens. It would seem that the offense will be based on screens, running the ball, play action, short to intermediate game, and then stretching the field with both White and Gonzo for the deeper stuff. This will take the pressure off of ryan, and allow him to pick his spots, because Turner and Norwood would do the rest. I'd expect a lot of screens as well.
Roddy has put up 2 great seasons, and he is equal to if not better than Jennings, so he should get a similar deal. I don't love it either, but that's just the way it is really. It's so important to keep what he and Matt have together as well.

And you are probably very right on the offense, but Roddy's still going to be the main factor. This is from the article I posted.

Several players from around the league have told me that White has really emerged as one of the bigger threats over the past two seasons. He's big, he's strong and he's one of the toughest wide receivers to bring down, which is why the strength of his game is catching intermediate balls and handling things from there. White also has the breakaway speed and hands to make tough catches on deep routes.


One of White's biggest strengths is catching the intermediate pass/screens and making things happen. Then on some play action, they will try and throw the ball deep down field ala Matt's first TD pass of his career.
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Bama you have problems with Jenkins at #2? I think he will be a great #2 for us this upcoming year. He already put up nearly 800 yards last year (was on pace for 900 in the 2nd half of the season) and developed a good chemistry with Ryan. I was predicting a breakout year from him this upcoming season (900-1000 yards), but we traded for Gonzo.

As for the Roddy White situation: he needs to get paid. His ability to stretch the field is invaluable for a run based offense; his presence on the outside alone allowed for a more efficient Turner. You take Roddy White outside of the equation, and teams don't have to worry about the deep ball as much and can focus more on the run or short-intermediate passes to Jenkins and Gonzalez. Douglas has the ability to beat defenses deep, but he is still very raw and not proven. On top of all of that, White is a great receiver. He may very well still be underrated and could continue to get better; White has great balance when it comes to the game because of his combination of speed, strength, hands, and route running ability (even though he may still drop a few). With Gonzalez in the mix, he should be seeing more man to man situations and will dominate.

Greg Jenning's contract vs Roddy White. I have Jennings and White on the same tier of players and they do deserve similar amounts of money. The only thing I can think of is the fact that Jennings most likely deserves a longer deal (packers should have locked him down in my opinion. he is a stud) because of his age and the max I would give White is 5 maybe 6 years.

It is interesting to see Grimes tear it up again in TC. He did a great job last year in TC and preseason, but got absolutely lit up in the regular season. Everyone raves about his athletic ability, so I do want to see him as the #2 CB (who else do we have anyway) and hopefully he can learn to hold his own against bigger receivers. I really do hope he can play lights out this upcoming season; it would really help our CB woes.

I don't think Sidbury will be a 3 down DE that soon. He is still very undersized and could you imagine having a defensive line with Abraham, Jerry, Babs, and Sidbury? Yes, pass rushing terror, but a simple run against any of those guys would not bode well for us. I like him as a 3rd down pass rush specialist throughout the season, but Anderson or Davis need to hold down the starting spot for run defending purposes.
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I make a prediction right now that whoever starts the season at LDE (opp ABE) will be replaced by Lawrence Sidbury at the middle of the year if SID doesn't start from day one.
Chauncey won't be unseated by a raw rookie by midseason. He is too solid for that, and that isn't Sidbury's game anyway, fighting off tight ends.
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