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Old 09-14-2008, 04:16 PM    (permalink
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Contrary to what many people think, the Panthers are more than one player. Look at their record so far this season for proof. It seems the Falcons were never a team though, judging from the fan defense force both Vick and Hall have

I must have forgotten that DeShaun Foster and Delhomme where world beater players last year.
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Hall played badly again today.The ball was thrown his way alot today.He got lucky for the most part though.
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on the other hand, one might expect more than "there isn't a coach in the league who would..." or "that's ridiculous!!!1oneone!" in rebuttal. stats are certainly more valuable than that sort of garbage analysis.
Well when you're arguing with that type of people, you shouldn't even bother bringing up stats.

And besides, only the stats you feel are respectable are the ones that are better than opinion, right? Say like, QB rating? ;)
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i only approve of ESPN-hyped statistics. and whatever other metrics piss people off.
Well i guess the only thing we agree on is that stats should only be used as a small base of an argument. Nothing else. Which is why these metrics lists are so useless sometimes.
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Well i guess the only thing we agree on is that stats should only be used as a small base of an argument. Nothing else. Which is why these metrics lists are so useless sometimes.
I would say it depends wholly on the statistic and what argument is being made. If the argument that Al Harris has been a good NFL corner for some time, nothing about his 2007 stats really play a huge role. If the argument is that Al Harris was worthy of a pro bowl berth last year for his play, then I'd say stats that place him as 74th best among his position in the league would play a rather large role.
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Umm, yes. Watch the damn game again before you neg rep me. I don't give a crap what you think Demorrio Williams' responsibility was on that play. Hall lined up directly across from Toomer, who ran a quick slant. Hall followed in man coverage while Demorrio and the other LB's keyed in on Jacobs. You really want Williams to leave a gaping hole in the middle of the defense on that play?

On the Boldin play, watch it again. Boldin goes in motion to the right and Chris Crocker follows. As Boldin approaches Bryant Johnson, Crocker stops directly in front of Johnson, at which point the switch is made and the ball is snapped. Johnson blocks Crocker while Hall is now responsible for Boldin. Rather than read and react to what is going on, Hall stays way back toward the sideline and appears as though he wants nothing to do with Boldin as he backpedals into the endzone while his teammates try their hardest to prevent a TD. Let me guess, that was on Demorrio Williams. Or perhaps Crocker should defend both Johnson and Boldin while Hall picks his ass?

Burress damn near always lines up on the left side of the offensive formation. Hall is always on the left side of the defensive formation. I didn't see a single play in that game where Hall faced Burress. Go ahead and dispute that, but I think you need to watch the game first.

You're right, he intercepted Manning. Not sure what that has to do with my post, which had everything to do with how many TD's he gave up this past year and nothing to do with how many interceptions he had. That interception has nothing to do with how badly Gonzalez beat him.

As for Colston, that's what I said. New Orleans moved him all around the field and he was matched up with safeties and even linebackers quite frequently. My point was that Hall didn't really face him. That point remains.
I think all you have to say Duckseason is....

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Well, that is a completely and utter ridiculous statement.
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DeAngelo Hall = CB equivalent of Roy Williams
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Because he trash talks and the young kids like that kinda stuff
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DeAngelo Hall = CB equivalent of Roy Williams
It is absolutely not the case. No one is as horrible as Roy Williams.
Maybe Ahmad Carroll
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Per Stats Inc., he gave up more yards (556 on 40-of-66 passing) than any other cornerback in the league during his brief stint as a Raider.
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He's just suffering from Dre Bly symptoms; once he's out from Nnamdi's (or Champ, in Bly's case) shadow he'll start playing his game. He's good but not great.
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It is absolutely not the case. No one is as horrible as Roy Williams.
Maybe Ahmad Carroll
but Ahmad Carroll is known as trash. I think the comparison is in regards to hype vs production. Where, the two may be competitive.
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Deangelo Hall didnt play well in OAKLAND! name me a player who does play well in oakland (besides Aso, guy is a freak of nature). Case in point- if a team has a losing attitude, much like the raiders this year and the falcons last year, players are simply not going to be trying 100% if they dont think they have a chance to win. Prior to last season in Atlanta, Hall was a top 5 CB in the league, and I still think he has that potential. Hell, I dont blame him for wanting to get out of Oakland...I would be surprised if he planned the whole damn thing.
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No one who actually saw Hall play actually considered him a top 5 corner in Atlanta.
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I don't care if Hall wanted to get out of Oakland or not he is one of the worst CB the Raiders have ever had. Its no surprise his first game gone the Raiders secondary was amazing.
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Deangelo Hall didnt play well in OAKLAND! name me a player who does play well in oakland (besides Aso, guy is a freak of nature). Case in point- if a team has a losing attitude, much like the raiders this year and the falcons last year, players are simply not going to be trying 100% if they dont think they have a chance to win. Prior to last season in Atlanta, Hall was a top 5 CB in the league, and I still think he has that potential. Hell, I dont blame him for wanting to get out of Oakland...I would be surprised if he planned the whole damn thing.
What players play well in oakland? good question, but judging from last years statistics i'd say specifically everyone on pass defense. The fact that hall came to a team that was strong in a particular statistic, and made it weaker, then got cut for poor performance... just shows what this guys made of.
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Shawn Springs could quite possibly be the most underrated CB in the NFL... That guy shuts down everything and everyone... Ask TO..
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to bad he only plays when he wants to
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What players play well in oakland? good question, but judging from last years statistics i'd say specifically everyone on pass defense. The fact that hall came to a team that was strong in a particular statistic, and made it weaker, then got cut for poor performance... just shows what this guys made of.
Well, if you look at Oakland's D last year, the reason their pass defense was so "good" was because teams were always so far ahead and then just ran it down the Raiders throats to burn time. Nice try, champ. Its oakland. They have a tradition of losing, and until something is done to break it, you will see more and more cases like this happening.

and NJX, i didnt ACTUALLY think he planned it, obviously no one plans to get released in that situation...
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Well, if you look at Oakland's D last year, the reason their pass defense was so "good" was because teams were always so far ahead and then just ran it down the Raiders throats to burn time. Nice try, champ. Its oakland. They have a tradition of losing, and until something is done to break it, you will see more and more cases like this happening.

and NJX, i didnt ACTUALLY think he planned it, obviously no one plans to get released in that situation...
I went back and looked up the statistics, and I change my mind, Oakland's pass defense wasn't as good as I thought. I disagree with why though. Opponents ran the ball because they could, and because they knew the raiders couldn't score on offense. Time of possession isn't something teams think about only when they're winning or in the fourth quarter.

As for Hall sucking because the players around him sucked, and as a result his played declined... thats an argument I can agree with. I believe full well that Randy Moss could have been a better player had there been a quarterback throwing to him, or if there were other receivers to take pressure off him.. or if he tried a little harder...

Cornerback though? ehh... the position where you often here the term 'island' which is reference to being alone? I don't think you can make a strong case for hall in this scenario because there is a perfect example of someone accomplishing his task directly opposite him. Hes not getting the best receivers and hes still getting burned badly. there were whispers around the league of his being overrated, so why is this a surprise that he is now considered a bust? Say hes not as bad as getting cut mid way through the season... I'd grant that argument. Hes not terrible, not one of the 'worst corners in the league' but hes certainly not good.
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wait, they care about TOP especially in the 4th qrt. If u can run the clock down with the lead or if u can move down the field at will u are going to do that
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Al Davis must die for the Raiders to become a good football team...but alas the only way to stop him is to stop abortions, as baby fetus' are whats keeping this ghoul alive..

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or maybe, Eddie Royal is just amazing.
QFT....seriously though eddie royal has played lights out against good corners for a rookie
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And where did Royal go to college?

Yeah.
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And despite that he managed to be good, unreal
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