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Old 09-15-2008, 09:30 AM    (permalink
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You lose your league mvp in the first game of the season. Your backup is a guy is a guy who last played a televised game when we was about ten, and it was peewie league baseball!!!! One would think you'd be f***ed if that would happen to you. However i watched the entire pats game yesterday against a proper jets team and the jets were never in the game. Is it luck or is it just the quality of belicheck that he can make his team so adaptable that a guy with no experience whatsoever can jump in and look like an above average league qb. I was really surprised because moss wasnt putting in any effort but cassel was just plainly and simply good.
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idk what i saw is e.g. Cassel just drop the ball off to Welker who ran through a couple of players. I think the really damage will be shown down the line. Its gonna get harder and harder for Cassel to play and once teams have a real gameplan against him, he wont be the one that u expect to make plays
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More like elementary. Dumb down an offense so a kid can't make mistakes. Big deal. Next.
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Lets wait a second before you praise Belicheat as a genius over winning against the Jets. I thought it would be a closer game than it was, but i guess the Jets aren't that good a team. I still don't see them doing much in the playoffs versus the top teams, once they get rolling.
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Its how the team is built. Bellichick has an amazing team, loaded with talent. But Cassel's issues will show up sooner or later. You can't screen pass and run on teams every week and expect to win every time.

I think that defense has been underrated for awhile now too. They still have a very good defense.
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This is not a new QB. This is someone who has been in the system for awhile. Granted he hasn't started, but he still knows the playbook and has been getting reps for years now. So I am not suprised as I would be if they got a QB off the street, and he did well. This is how the AR, Romo's, and others get made. You have a guy sitting and developing, and worse comes to worse, if he doesn't become a starter, he still knows the system down perfectly and when called upon can contribute.
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I would judge Cassell based on yesterday's game. Other than that dropped pass by Moss, I don't think he threw down field all game.
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I watched most of the game, and Cassell, well solid, did nothing spectacular. Its like several of the other posters here have said, wait until teams get some game tape of him and until he is asked to do something other then dump it off to Welker to judge his overall ability. That said, he was solid yesterday and while he didnt make any mistakes, he certainly didnt win them the game.

As for Belichek, I have never been able to get an adequate read on the guy. So far as most people can tell, he is a genius. I mean, his resume speaks for itself. I think now more then ever, when he is missing his star player, we will be able to see more of what is coaching and what was Tom Brady.

Like BBD said though, I think yesterday spoke to 2 major things:

A) the Pats defense may be old, but it is still damn good

B) The Jets, even with Brett Favre, are still not there yet


That said, I dont watch alot of Pats games, but that was my impression from yesterday
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Cassell did what he had to do. Let's not forget either that Brady, when he came in, just did what he had to do at first. In all likelihood, Cassell will never be close to as good as Brady is now but there's no reason he can't be close to what Brady was his first time starting
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Its how the team is built. Bellichick has an amazing team, loaded with talent. But Cassel's issues will show up sooner or later. You can't screen pass and run on teams every week and expect to win every time.

I think that defense has been underrated for awhile now too. They still have a very good defense.
Don't get me wrong I'm not comparing him to Brady, but isn't that exactly how they used Brady in his first year? Conservative game plans with screens and dump passes.
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My point is he plays the new qb perfectly, doesnt overextend him nor does he let him do so little that the defense gets paralysed, i have the feeling belicheck will get the maximum out of the situation, but we'll see
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Don't get me wrong I'm not comparing him to Brady, but isn't that exactly how they used Brady in his first year? Conservative game plans with screens and dump passes.
Yep, exactly. I don't understand why everyone is making a big deal about Cassel only hitting the little dump offs and check downs.

Look at just about every QB in their first/first few starts. Trent Edwards was like that, Vince Young, Tom Brady, Tony Romo....the list goes on.

Cassel will do what he can do, and BB is going to work it like that. As for the Jets, everyone jumped on the band wagon so soon. 7-9 is my prediction and 3rd in the AFC east.
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Ok I'm going to go off of the title here...

For as much as I hate the Pats and Bill Belicheck, there is no doubt that he is brilliant. I bet against them last week, and I won't do it again. Beleicheck is a great coach and more. How many great, great coordinators has he had. Not only is he great at teaching and motivating his players, and all of that that goes into being a head coach. He coaches coaches!!! How many great coordinators has he had in th last few years. Those guys have all learned form him. Bellicheck is a brilliant man, and he is already making his own "coaching tree".
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Can you tell Brad Childress to try that.
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Its how the team is built. Bellichick has an amazing team, loaded with talent. But Cassel's issues will show up sooner or later. You can't screen pass and run on teams every week and expect to win every time.

I think that defense has been underrated for awhile now too. They still have a very good defense.
Come on thats all we did for years once Brady stepped in until last season. Screen passes and short runs, then hed make the big throw when we needed it. But seriously, its one game, and idk why ppl were so strong on the jets in the first place, they didnt even beat miami by a full touchdown. yes we all love Farve but lets agree that the jets are not the team to judge cassells performance. Id say wait till san diego but their D looked weak ( dont know if thats either Denvers very talented offense or injuries.) and the colts havent looked too good either but i expect that to be turned around come November. I still think BB is a great coach, but dont praise him for this just yet. 2-0 aint nothin.
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Well he is one of the best in the business for a reason. And it is not cheating.
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I would judge Cassell based on yesterday's game. Other than that dropped pass by Moss, I don't think he threw down field all game.

And while Moss dropped it, it wasn't a good pass.
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No but moss should of caught it. It was a duck but it wasnt uncatchable.
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Revis was right there. And about the Jets I think they were in the game. I mean they lost by just 9. We shanked a 31 yrd field goal and had horrible play calling when we were at the 5 so we settled for a field goal.
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Don't get me wrong I'm not comparing him to Brady, but isn't that exactly how they used Brady in his first year? Conservative game plans with screens and dump passes.
Theres a couple of differences

1. Brady's arm >> Cassel's arm
2. While the defense is still good, its not nearly as good as the dominant unit Brady played with his first season. That Patriot defense then was incredible, now its just very good.
3. Brady had a better resume coming in. He looked better in PS, and looked good in college when getting a chance to play. Cassell on the other hand looked downright awful in PS, awful last year subbing in for Brady, and never played in college.
4. Brady did it with infinitely less talent than Cassel has on offense. Brady's offense those years was very pedestrian, Cassel inherits the greatest offense of all time. HUGE difference right there. Brady made his WRs look better than they really are. Cassel doesn't.

Can Cassell do enough to get them in the playoffs? Sure, in fact i mentioned that when Brady first went down. Can he win them a SB like Brady did? Highly unlikely. He's not Brady.
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The Jets are a average NFL team. The Patriots don't believe in Matt Cassell which is why they hid him but against better teams he's going to get eaten alive.
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Come on thats all we did for years once Brady stepped in until last season. Screen passes and short runs, then hed make the big throw when we needed it. But seriously, its one game, and idk why ppl were so strong on the jets in the first place, they didnt even beat miami by a full touchdown. yes we all love Farve but lets agree that the jets are not the team to judge cassells performance. Id say wait till san diego but their D looked weak ( dont know if thats either Denvers very talented offense or injuries.) and the colts havent looked too good either but i expect that to be turned around come November. I still think BB is a great coach, but dont praise him for this just yet. 2-0 aint nothin.
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