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Old 09-17-2008, 10:41 AM    (permalink
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Default Favorite Offensive Shemes?

Whats your favorite offensive schemes? Ive always been a fan of a run heavy vertical passing game built of PA pass.

However, recently, Ive really grown a liking to the WCO. As I study it more, the more it grows on me. In particular, Mike Shannahan's WCO. Its brilliant, I love it. And McCarthey's WCO is really good too.


If I were to rate my favorite offensive schemes in the league it would be:

1. Patriots vertical/screen pass offense
2. Shannahan's WCO
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I like the run heavy schemes like the Bears offense or Martyball
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I'd have to say the West Coast Offense.
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Pass heavy, while I recognize the importance of pounding the rock, I find it a bit boring. I'm a pass *****, love watching it, spread 'em out.Definitely the WCO. I really like McCarthey's system in particular( not solely because he's GB's coach) but it's quarterback friendly, fun to watch, and it works dammit. With that said, I believe his scheme is a great one, but it's in the wrong place. I'm not convinced it can work effectively late in the season in a place like GB. I prefer a bruiser team ( O-line) for that. I think it would work excellent in a dome or fair weather.

How similar are MM and Shanny's systems? Both WCO with ZBS....
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1. Steelers heavy run offense (Pros)
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Pass heavy, while I recognize the importance of pounding the rock, I find it a bit boring. I'm a pass *****, love watching it, spread 'em out.Definitely the WCO. I really like McCarthey's system in particular( not solely because he's GB's coach) but it's quarterback friendly, fun to watch, and it works dammit. With that said, I believe his scheme is a great one, but it's in the wrong place. I'm not convinced it can work effectively late in the season in a place like GB. I prefer a bruiser team ( O-line) for that. I think it would work excellent in a dome or fair weather.

How similar are MM and Shanny's systems? Both WCO with ZBS....
Im still gettin to know both systems, but so far Ive noticed theyre very different. Shannahan's system is more of a tight system, 2 TE system that runs the rock a lot more, and uses WCO patterns with TEs much more often than McCartney does.

McCartney spreads it out a lot more, and uses a lot more full house packages, split back packages, and more traditional WCO patterns like the slant.

I really like the run blocking scheme McCartney employs. Like having 2 FBs, and running power one way with one FB blocking the backside for the cutback lane.

Im usually not a fan of the WCO bc its too pass oriented, and Im an old school run the rock type of guy, but what I like about Shanny's WCO and McCartney's WCO is that both are by design, made to thrive in the run game. Done in different ways, but both are great for the run game. As odd as that sounds.
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I like the run heavy schemes like the Bears offense or Martyball
Me too, but Ron Turner kind of sucks.

I liked Whistenhunt's offense in Pittsburgh a lot, and historically loved Gibb's offense.

What I love about the Pats offense is that its explosive, yet still can be run heavy, and very qb friendly.
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Which Steeler offense? The Whistenhunt one, or the one they employ now? Bc the one they employ now is more of a spread offense that runs sweeps and pulling guards to the outside.
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The spread option, as perfected by Rich Rodriguez. 2008 Michigan Wolverines notwithstanding.
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KW.. I had a man crush on his system!
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I loved his system in Pittsburgh too.

Cameron's system in SD was pretty good too.
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I loved his system in Pittsburgh too.

Cameron's system in SD was pretty good too.

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Which one doesn't belong? LOL.
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I loved his system in Pittsburgh too.

Cameron's system in SD was pretty good too.
The 2004-2006 Cameron offense absolutely sung when it got going, good call. A lot of Gates up the seam, with possession receivers and an emphasis on fullback powered running game for LT.

The Norv Turner offense is way more downfield, the focus has really switched around. Can't complain much either way.

For other Offenses, I have to give it up to the simplicity of Peyton's guys. Reggie on one side, Marvin on the other, with Stokely/Gonzalez filling in the slot and productive tight ends, handing off to Edge/Addai/Rhodes...stacked enough to just go out and execute. Very nice.
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I love a team that has a run heavy scheme but uses a WCO style passing game to spread the defense and keep the ball moving. IMO the vertical passing game is over-rated because it's so risky. I'd rather spend 5 more plays moving the chains than going with the bomb.
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Yeah he is another stud OC, but you guys tend to throw more than run it right? I like those passing concepts but mix it with alot of run and I'd call that the perfect system, for me in my opinion.
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Since no one's going to mention him since he's been such a horrible Head Coach, but Scott Linehan's power running game and PA passing game was very effective in miami and minnesota.

Plus if you have the right QB Holmgren really does a great job designing plays that make things easier for his players.
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Yeah, i think we do pass a little more, but not by a lot. It just seems that way because our passing game is so efficient. But the way Garrett calls plays is just gorgeous. Plenty of times on Monday, he caught the Eagles blitzing or off guard with draws and screens. That's pretty much how Barber got his rushing yards cause the rush D was pretty tight all game. The Martellus Bennett screen was great.
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Not a big fan of the WCO, but the one great thing about the system, specifically Mike Martz's as an example, is the way he calls his plays. I love the use of tags for the route numbers rather than using 2 digit numbers. And it's easy for the players to remember the #s. If not I guess they can try to wear wristbands to help, but overall it's a sweet system in terms of terminology.
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Yeah, i think we do pass a little more, but not by a lot. It just seems that way because our passing game is so efficient. But the way Garrett calls plays is just gorgeous. Plenty of times on Monday, he caught the Eagles blitzing or off guard with draws and screens. That's pretty much how Barber got his rushing yards cause the rush D was pretty tight all game. The Martellus Bennett screen was great.
Yeah I don't really watch or focus in on your games, but I will have to break a game down like I do for our team just to see what passing concepts he is running against certain coverages. But in terms of draws and screens for blitzes that's standard practice. The theory is instead of hanging back and passing while people are coming at you, you run a screen, and let them come at you and then get the linemen upfield to block, and then pass it out to the RB. Same with the Draws, you invite the rush by kick stepping, and that means you are indicating to the defensive players that it is a pass, and so they read pass, and drop back, but then you hand it off and go forward.

One great example is watch the past superbowl again. Pats started to do that with great success on us. They screened us, via different types of screens, and it was working. In my opinion, Wies would have stuck with that until we adjusted, but McDaniels was impatient and was insistent on going deep.


But the thing Garrett does well is he has set coverage beaters at all times. So he has Cover 0, 1, 2, 3, and 4 beaters, and then adjusts if opposing defenses throws hybrid coverages at him. Factor in option and Choice routes, and it's a great offense.
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KW offense with the Steelars was fun to watch. I really do like Martz's version of the spread.
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