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Old 09-17-2008, 02:56 PM    (permalink
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I love WCO. I do agree w/ BBD how Shannahan has a great WCO. If I could build a O it would be...

o-line- mobile and well rounded, can pull,move and get to the 2nd level w/ RB. I would prefer there size to be around 6'4 - 6'7 300-310.
qb-A smart and poised QB, he doesnt need a Jamarcus Russell cannon but has a adequate arm. He doesnt need Mike Vick speed but can move around just enough in the pocket to buy a split second to make the pass. He can be a game manager IDC.
fb-A big mean blocker, preety much a extra o-lineman, but can play short yardage if needed. IDC if he can catch or not, it would be a plus but not needed. A good size would be around 6'0 250-265
rb-A speed back, but big enough to take a hit. He can catch out of the back field and can take it every play. He doesnt have to be a Bettis type of power back but enough to not go down on every tackle. A good size would be 5'10 - 6'0 200-210
te-A great run blocker, but big enough to be a endzone threat. 6'5 230
wr-I would use a 3 WR set a lot. I would have one WR that can turn a 2 yard slant to a 50 yard gain, they dont need amazing 40 yard dash speed but enough to get open and break a tackle, then a bigger posession WR who has perfect routes and good hands, is tall enough to be a redzone threat. Then a speedster who is as fast as hell.
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How about the Colts' offense? Its been essentially the same for a number of years yet its still been effective
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How about the Colts' offense? Its been essentially the same for a number of years yet its still been effective
Here's my issue with the Colts offense.

How much of it is the scheme, vs Peyton Manning?


Id say its more Peyton than scheme.
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My favorite has to be Ken Wisenhunts offense, probably more in Arizona than Pittsburgh but either version is great
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Here's my issue with the Colts offense.

How much of it is the scheme, vs Peyton Manning?


Id say its more Peyton than scheme.
The same can be said about every system. You need the right players for your scheme or it won't work. Not necessarily the "best" players, but the right players. Manning excels in the no-huddle offense so he's a perfect fit for that scheme.
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Peyton Manning would excel in any offense. What offense fits him best is the no huddle.
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A real west coast offense.

Not the **** they put on the field these days.

Martyball?
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4. Punt
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I have never had more fun watching football then when Mike Martz ran teh Greatest Show on Turf. When that offense of his is firing on all cylinders, its absolutely dominant and beautiful to watch.

although I think I do enjoy wathcing the Ravens defense more, but thats a different discussion :)
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A real west coast offense.

Not the **** they put on the field these days.

Martyball?
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3. Pass
4. Punt
Predictable?
No, that's not martyball, that's Childress's weekly gameplan (go watch the film)...
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Not a big fan of the WCO, but the one great thing about the system, specifically Mike Martz's as an example, is the way he calls his plays. I love the use of tags for the route numbers rather than using 2 digit numbers. And it's easy for the players to remember the #s. If not I guess they can try to wear wristbands to help, but overall it's a sweet system in terms of terminology.
Mike Martz is about as exact opposite of WCO as it gets. He's pretty close to Air Coryell.
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You gotta love Jason Garrett, he's really turned that Dallas offensive around. The creativity, the mix between run and pass, everything. Granted, he has the options to do it, some of the best players at their respective positions, but it's great to watch.
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Mike Martz is about as exact opposite of WCO as it gets. He's pretty close to Air Coryell.
O i know I just mentioned not a fan of the WCO. I actually have 2 of Mike Martz's playbooks when he was with the Rams. That's why I am commenting on the terminology because it's basically the same as the system I coached under this past year. Now that I reread what I wrote, I perhaps didn't articulate that right. But yeah his playbooks are damn good, and extensive. I like that Air C. system, which is consistent of the systems I like, that being Run N Shoot, and Spread.

He and my OC used the exact use of #s to tag each individual route, which is what West coast offenses do actually. So it's a west course offense type labeling but the system isn't that like you mentioned.. But not really a fan of the WCO. Some of Mike martz's use of the shallow concept is really damn good!

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Green Bay's offensive scheme
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Yup I can co-sign to that. I broke that game down last year, and they have very creative formations, and very creative running plays. I love it actually! Two running concepts mixed into one running play. It's pretty damn sick!
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spread offense thats 60% pass and 40% run...take TTU's offense and run a bit more, and you have my dream offense.
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Which Steeler offense? The Whistenhunt one, or the one they employ now? Bc the one they employ now is more of a spread offense that runs sweeps and pulling guards to the outside.
The Steelers offense has always relied on pulling guards.
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Which is why I kinda wanted Faneca.. We rely on pulling guards too, and Faneca- Snee as our two guards would have been nasty!
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Run N shoot and Green Bay's spread WCO.
And Walsh's original WCO
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How much of it is the scheme, vs Peyton Manning?


Id say its more Peyton than scheme.
And you'd be right. The Colts offense is far more reliant on execution of a few plays than it is scheming to get good matchups against the opposing defense.
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How about that vaunted Spurrier run and shoot.
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The true Air Coryell. A dominant running game that sets up play action and deep passing. I'm not a big fan of the WCO, because it shrinks the field far too much. It doesn't stretch the field, so the defense can keep the safeties closer to the line of scrimmage to stop the run and the short passing game.

Say what you want about Norv Turner as a head coach, but the man is an offensive genius as a coordinator and runs the truest form of the Air Coryell that exists today. Every runningback he's ever coached has had outstanding seasons - Emmitt Smith, Stephen Davis, Ricky Williams, Frank Gore, and now LT. In the 90s, teams knew that the lead draw was coming to Emmitt on third downs, and still nobody could stop it.

Heavy passing schemes are for sissies. That **** is basketball on grass, not football.
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No particular order... but I love John Fox's running schemes. Jason Garrett, Sean Payton... love their balanced attacks. John McDaniels has a beautiful passing offense to watch.
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Sean Payton is about the brightest offensive mind in football.

Jason Garrett is also a brilliant play caller.

Peyton Manning's system is great as well.
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Watching Denver's passing game off of the pa is poetry. I love the roll-outs, bootlegs, and just how the passing game runs. Running game wise, I hate the Denver ZBS and such. I like power blocking schemes. Sadly, the two dont match.
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