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Old 09-17-2008, 07:15 PM    (permalink
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VInce Young - Headcase
Matt Leinart - No clue what his problem is
Jay Cutler - hey, finally one worth his money!
Kellen Clemons - Unsure, hasn't looked all that great
Tavaris Jackson - he got benched for Gus Frerotte.That says it all
Charlie Whitehust - I believe he dropped off the face of the earth
Brodie Croyle - Injured... as always
Brad Smith QB/Wr no clue
Omar Jacobs no clue
Reggie McNeal no clue
Bruce Gradkowsi yeah he wasn't very good either
DJ Shockely see: Smith, Brad; Jacobs, Omar; McNeal, Reggie

remember how we all thought this class was great?
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Whats crazy about that draft was where Mario Williams wouldve fell had the Texans not selected him.

The Saints made it clear that had Bush not fallen to their lap, they would have selected AJ Hawk.

The Titans wouldve taken Young regardless if Williams was there.

The Jets ran a 3-4 and had no place for Williams, and would probably still take Brick.

Which would have put Williams on the Green Bay Packers. Can you imagine how beastly that defense would have been if Mario Williams and Aaron Kampman were their book ends?!

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There hasn't been a 'great' quarterback class in a long time.

Maybe it's because quarterback coaching and the entire quarterback philosophy has changed...
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There hasn't been a 'great' quarterback class in a long time.

Maybe it's because quarterback coaching and the entire quarterback philosophy has changed...

IMO it's just getting harder and harder to play QB in the NFL with the defenses getting bigger, stronger, faster, and better.
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IMO it's just getting harder and harder to play QB in the NFL with the defenses getting bigger, stronger, faster, and better.
Then what's with the explosions of rookie RB's if defenses are stronger, faster and better?
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Many people thought that it was a 1983 type of class, but it looks like Jay Cutler is the only good QB of the bunch. Matt Leinart is on the Cade McNown career path, Vince Young is on suicide watch, Kellen Clemens and Tarvaris Jackson have struggled mightily in brief performances.

I must ask: where are all the Cutler haters now? There were quite a few who said he was "Kyle Boller 2.0," the 'he just has a strong arm' crowd.
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Whats crazy about that draft was where Mario Williams wouldve fell had the Texans not selected him.

The Saints made it clear that had Bush not fallen to their lap, they would have selected AJ Hawk.

The Titans wouldve taken Young regardless if Williams was there.

The Jets ran a 3-4 and had no place for Williams, and would probably still take Brick.

Which would have put Williams on the Green Bay Packers. Can you imagine how beastly that defense would have been if Mario Williams and Aaron Kampman were their book ends?!

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No way the Jets don't take Williams. Mangini is from the BB/Parcells tree...that whole global theory thing...Williams fell under that.

You'll find something to do with a talent like that.

I think Croyle, Clemens, and Whitehurst can be something...Cutler is the clear crown jewel.

Never a Leinart or Young fan...but Leinart is on a team loaded with talent and he has the shot if he wants it. Young needs to get his ish together.
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So far:

1. Jay Cutler
2. Vince Young
3. Matt Leinart
4. Tarvaris Jackson
5. Brodie Croyle
6. Bruce Gradkowski
7. Kellen Clemens
8. Brad Smith (does he count?)
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One of the questions that I always think about is who would the niners have taken if Lienart had come out in the 05 draft. Don't know if it would be any better but interesting.
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You have to put Young and Jackson ahead of Leinart. They sucked throwing to scrubs Leinart sucked throwing to Fitsgerald and Boldin.
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Whats crazy about that draft was where Mario Williams wouldve fell had the Texans not selected him.

The Saints made it clear that had Bush not fallen to their lap, they would have selected AJ Hawk.

The Titans wouldve taken Young regardless if Williams was there.

The Jets ran a 3-4 and had no place for Williams, and would probably still take Brick.

Which would have put Williams on the Green Bay Packers. Can you imagine how beastly that defense would have been if Mario Williams and Aaron Kampman were their book ends?!

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I still remember praying for mario to fall, I'm content with Hawk but wow what could have been
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VInce Young - Headcase
Matt Leinart - No clue what his problem is
Jay Cutler - hey, finally one worth his money!
Kellen Clemons - Unsure, hasn't looked all that great
Tavaris Jackson - he got benched for Gus Frerotte.That says it all
Charlie Whitehust - I believe he dropped off the face of the earth
Brodie Croyle - Injured... as always
Brad Smith QB/Wr no clue
Omar Jacobs no clue
Reggie McNeal no clue
Bruce Gradkowsi yeah he wasn't very good either
DJ Shockely see: Smith, Brad; Jacobs, Omar; McNeal, Reggie

remember how we all thought this class was great?


Hey now. DJ is sitting pretty as our number 3 QB. And as long as he plays for the Falcons he will always have UGA super homers calling for him to start. He's got a good gig.
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I think we're gonna end up agreeing to disagree here. I do think Leinart has been thrown to the wolves a bit too much. Wisenhunt seems very very willing to yank him out of a game when he's not playing well, something that normally doesn't happen to a young QB of the future.
What would you do, you have the Seahawks struggling at 0-2, the division wide open, and two of the best WR's in the NFL at your disposal, do you play Warner who is showing he is still one of the best QB's in the NFL right now, or throw Leinart out there even though he clearly isn't the best QB on the team? Wisenhunt wants to win and he should, he didn't draft Leinart so why should he ruin his season waiting around for him, fact is right now Warner is by far a better QB, and its still up in the air whether or not Leinart is the QB of the future.


He was drafted high thats about it, but he isn't a great fit for this offense, and I wouldn't put him out there either, I would put Warner in and go take this division over, it be different if Leinart was playing really well but he's not and hasn't been and he has had plenty of chances.
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Before you guys bash these QB classes perhaps you should take a look at this one.....


1. David Carr
2. Joey Harrington
3. Patrick Ramsey
4. Josh McCown
5. David Garrard
6. Rohan Davey
7. Randy Fasani
8. Kurt Kittner
9. Brandon Doman
10. Craig Nall
11. J.T. O'Sullivan
12. Steve Bellisari
13. Seth Burford
14. Jeff Kelly
15. Wes Pate


Behold, the mighty product of the 2002 Draft class.

Hey, 2 current starters.

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Before you guys bash these QB classes perhaps you should take a look at this one.....


1. David Carr
2. Joey Harrington
3. Patrick Ramsey
4. Josh McCown
5. David Garrard
6. Rohan Davey
7. Randy Fasani
8. Kurt Kittner
9. Brandon Doman
10. Craig Nall
11. J.T. O'Sullivan
12. Steve Bellisari
13. Seth Burford
14. Jeff Kelly
15. Wes Pate


Behold, the mighty product of the 2002 Draft class.
At least one of them came close to win the big one....in Europe :P
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2005 class is just as bad:

Aaron Rodgers
Jason Campbell
Kyle Orton
Derek Anderson
Matt Cassell
Not even close. Rodgers has been great so far and while he probably won't continue to be that good, he'll be a top half QB in this league maybe higher. Anderson had a monster season last year and went to the Pro Bowl, he's not as good as that'd make you think but he'll still be a starter in this league somewhere for a long time. Campbell will be a bottom level starter. And Cassell and Orton should be top of the line back ups.

Sure the rest are garbage, but that's a solid QB class.
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Before you guys bash these QB classes perhaps you should take a look at this one.....


1. David Carr
2. Joey Harrington
3. Patrick Ramsey
4. Josh McCown
5. David Garrard
6. Rohan Davey
7. Randy Fasani
8. Kurt Kittner
9. Brandon Doman
10. Craig Nall
11. J.T. O'Sullivan
12. Steve Bellisari
13. Seth Burford
14. Jeff Kelly
15. Wes Pate


Behold, the mighty product of the 2002 Draft class.

Hey, 2 current starters.
lol that's one horrendous class...
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lol that's one horrendous class...
Yeah, with all due respect to David Garrard and J.T. O'Sullivan, you know it's TERRIBLE when these 2 should've been the top 2 QBs picked.
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Nah, Craig Nall pushes that one past 1984 IMO.
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lol that's one horrendous class...
J.T. makes it pretty much awesome though.
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Whitehurst does OK in the preseason every year, the guy is just buried behind Rivers and Billy Volek. Not a great use for a 3rd round pick, but who am I to question AJ. He'll probably get a shot one day.
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There hasn't been a 'great' quarterback class in a long time.

Maybe it's because quarterback coaching and the entire quarterback philosophy has changed...
I'd say 2004 is shaping up to be a good one.

2 Super Bowl winning QBs and the third guy is in the top 5 in passer rating, passing yards and TD passes. Matt Schaub is a decent starter as well.
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Cutler looks like the only one of the bunch that will pan out. Im surprised and disappointed in Leinart, he's going to be a bust. Unless a WCO team with promise scoops him up and he changes his attitude. He looked good under Green, so maybe all hope is not lost with a change of scenery.

Young, I think his days are numbered. Depression is difficult to overcome, especially for a qb who doesn't want to play.


How bout that 04 class? :) Eli, Rivers, Ben, Schaub. Best class since the Marino, Elway, Kelly, Moon, Eason class.
Schaub sucks.
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Whitehurst does OK in the preseason every year, the guy is just buried behind Rivers and Billy Volek. Not a great use for a 3rd round pick, but who am I to question AJ. He'll probably get a shot one day.
Yeah A.J. has put some talent on that team I would'nt worry about it.
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I dunno even half of those guys why did we sign them jeez.
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Before you guys bash these QB classes perhaps you should take a look at this one.....


1. David Carr
2. Joey Harrington
3. Patrick Ramsey
4. Josh McCown
5. David Garrard
6. Rohan Davey
7. Randy Fasani
8. Kurt Kittner
9. Brandon Doman
10. Craig Nall
11. J.T. O'Sullivan
12. Steve Bellisari
13. Seth Burford
14. Jeff Kelly
15. Wes Pate


Behold, the mighty product of the 2002 Draft class.

Hey, 2 current starters.


That class will always remind me of this article that came out right after that draft

http://quicktime.cnnsi.com/inside_ga...29/hot_button/


Some guy named David Garrard was the Jaguars' fourth-round pick in the NFL Draft 10 days ago. David Garrard is a quarterback from East Carolina. With that sentence, I have completely exhausted my reservoir of knowledge about David Garrard. I don't know whether he's right- or left-handed, how fast he runs the 40, or if he has the arm strength to throw the deep out. But I do know this: There's a decent chance that David Garrard will have as productive a pro career as David Carr, who went to the Texans as the No. 1 overall pick in the draft.


If it's not David Garrard who goes on to outshine Carr, then it will probably be someone like him. Maybe Wes Pate (from Stephen F. Austin, a seventh-round selection by the Ravens) or J.T. O'Sullivan (from UC Davis, a sixth-round selection by the Saints). Nothing against Carr or Joey Harrington, taken by the Lions with the third overall pick, but history has shown that the best quarterbacks aren't always those everyone salivates over in the draft. In fact, the QB everybody loves coming out of college rarely turns out to be the best pro. For every Terry Bradshaw, the top pick of the 1970 draft who wound up getting into the Hall of Fame, there is a Jeff George, the No. 1 pick 20 years later who wound up getting on the nerves of just about every coach who ever worked with him.
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