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Old 09-17-2008, 03:11 PM    (permalink
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Yeah.

Would you like to see some gametape? Or maybe if I put a star on his helmet, would that change your mind?
No, that's fine. I've heard enough out of you to know how much your opinion is worth.
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I don't know. Tuck has that uncanny ability inside at UT. His technique can use some refining though, but he's been so good it hasn't mattered yet.
It's hard to compare them as pass rushers because Tuck gets a ton of reps against slower guards, but has less space to work with. Kampman is up against better pass blockers but has more room to run around. As a defensive end, purely defensive end, Kampman is a couple notches better. As an all around player, Tuck could be mentioned on the same level.

Over the years I have become less and less attracted to any sort of player rankings, especially here. Both are outstanding players that bring something different to the table.
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Anyway, back on topic.

What I love the most of Kampman is how he uses his hands and leverage. He reminds me a lot of Strahan in this sense.

Allen also does a great job of this, however he uses more speed techniques compared to Kampman's strength based game.
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Justin Tuck, the guy that has started, what, two games in his career?
Does starting really matter? Ask Tom Brady.
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It's hard to compare them as pass rushers because Tuck gets a ton of reps against slower guards, but has less space to work with. Kampman is up against better pass blockers but has more room to run around. As a defensive end, purely defensive end, Kampman is a couple notches better. As an all around player, Tuck could be mentioned on the same level.

Over the years I have become less and less attracted to any sort of player rankings, especially here. Both are outstanding players that bring something different to the table.
thats true.

I really made this thread moreso to bring up Kampman's name more than anything. He's so slept on, and its BS in my opinion that he rarely gets his name mentioned.
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Does starting really matter? Ask Tom Brady.
I meant that to point out his lack of production at a high level for a sustained amount of time. But nevermind, i don't wanna get in an argument about a Giants player with Giants fans.

He's the best there is though, for sure.
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No, that's fine. I've heard enough out of you to know how much your opinion is worth.
more than yours? I mean if we're talking about informational content and thought put into the post as a basis for evaluation. I'm sure your have a great personality though.
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Since the start of the 2006 season, Kampman leads the league with 23.5 sacks. I think he's as good of DE as you'll find in the NFL right now. He has been elite since the start of 2006 and I think you can argue him over pretty much anybody since that time period.
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I broke down the Vikes defense the other day, meaning I watched Allen on every defensive snap. He was flat out dominating once Ugoh went down early with an injury. He has outstanding explosion off the snap and once he gets position on the edge, there is no pushing him around. The one thing I question about his game against the pass is his ability to attack inside shoulders. He is one strong mother but it doesn't seem to translate when he needs it to break through the inside shoulder. Kampman has no such problem and probably has a wider assortment of pass rush moves.
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I meant that to point out his lack of production at a high level for a sustained amount of time. But nevermind, i don't wanna get in an argument about a Giants player with Giants fans.

He's the best there is though, for sure.
Liar, he's the best there is, was or ever will be...once in a century player.
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I meant that to point out his lack of production at a high level for a sustained amount of time. But nevermind, i don't wanna get in an argument about a Giants player with Giants fans.

He's the best there is though, for sure.
Good idea...I made some people look like fools when they said the SAME thing about Osi vs. Peppers.
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I broke down the Vikes defense the other day, meaning I watched Allen on every defensive snap. He was flat out dominating once Ugoh went down early with an injury. He has outstanding explosion off the snap and once he gets position on the edge, there is no pushing him around. The one thing I question about his game against the pass is his ability to attack inside shoulders. He is one strong mother but it doesn't seem to translate when he needs it to break through the inside shoulder. Kampman has no such problem and probably has a wider assortment of pass rush moves.
doesn't Kampman remind you of Strahan?

Allen does have one edge over Kampman: I think his game is more interchangeable, whereas Kampman's style is more of a pure LE.
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doesn't Kampman remind you of Strahan?

Allen does have one edge over Kampman: I think his game is more interchangeable, whereas Kampman's style is more of a pure LE.
Eh. In the sense that they both can dominate a side of the line with their ability to stuff the run and the passer, yes. But I think Strahan was at a higher level in his prime. Kampman does not physically jolt defenders the way Strahan did. And Strahan was quicker off the edge and had a much stronger bull rush.
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Eh. In the sense that they both can dominate a side of the line with their ability to stuff the run and the passer, yes. But I think Strahan was at a higher level in his prime. Kampman does not physically jolt defenders the way Strahan did. And Strahan was quicker off the edge and had a much stronger bull rush.
oh i agree, i meant similar games. i shouldve said "poor man's strahan" to be more accurate.
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lovin' the kampman love.

yeah, he's a very complete player. run or pass. it's hard to rank him against guys like Mario Williams and Justin Tuck...they just haven't been playing long enough to form an accurate opinion.

but, he's a great DE, has awesome work ethic and no ego. the Packers are lucky to have a lot of people like that on the team.
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The thing I think Kampman does better then Allen is leverage and staying low vs. the tackle, while Allen is always playing higher then he should, making it easier for the tackle.

Other then that, both their game is equal good.

Plus I think Kampman official became a starter in his 04 season.
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They are both very good. I would say right now that Kampman plays the run a little better. A tough question though.
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meh, Kampman similar to Strahan, started out slow. i do admit though, that kind of shat on my argument.

I will make this statement: Kampman will finish with more sacks than Allen this year.
I've thought that all off season and have always thought that Kampman is better or at least their both very close. In the offseason when I said that I was called a homer and was told that Allen is far better.
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Nice try but you're completely wrong besides that Kampman uses more power moves. Allen is 2 inches taller and 5 pounds heavier according to NFL.com and Kampman ran a 4.65 while Allen ran a 4.88.
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Nice try but you're completely wrong besides that Kampman uses more power moves. Allen is 2 inches taller and 5 pounds heavier according to NFL.com and Kampman ran a 4.65 while Allen ran a 4.88.
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Kampman is the most underrated DE in the league for sure.
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I've thought that all off season and have always thought that Kampman is better or at least their both very close. In the offseason when I said that I was called a homer and was told that Allen is far better.
Nice try but you're completely wrong besides that Kampman uses more power moves. Allen is 2 inches taller and 5 pounds heavier according to NFL.com and Kampman ran a 4.65 while Allen ran a 4.88.
Who cares about 40 speeds? I'm talking about explosion off the ball, my bad on the size thing but Kampman plays more of a big mans game attacking guys with power, whereas allen uses his strength more to protect his speed attack.
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I almost cried tears of joy when we signed him to an offer sheet a couple offseasons back.

They both have their strengths. Allen is so damn quick off the ball. I think as far as pure explosiveness, he is definitely better in that. He doesn't quite have the array of moves that Kampman does, though.

Kampman is obviously the superior leverage guy. I love Allen's pursuit though. He is much faster than you would think. I was at the game last Sunday and he ran Addai down from 5-6 yards behind in a 12 yard window.
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Perhaps, but Allen's BAC puts him over the top, IMO
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