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Old 09-18-2008, 02:11 PM    (permalink
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Anyone who puts John Abraham in their list, I love.
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1) Osi Umenyora
2) Aaron Kampmann
3) Jared Allen
4) John Abraham
5) Mario Williams
6) Justin Tuck
7) Patrick Kerney
8) Will Smith
9) Trent Cole
10) Gaines Adams
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Tuck carried over his SB should-have-been-MVP performance to this year and is top 2 in my eyes. So dominate. Such a force and versatile.
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I think Mario Williams is a very very good player but I don't see how he's #1 on a lot of these lists. He had a great season and it looks like he'll continue to have a very good if not dominant career, but there is no way he is the best DE in the NFL right now.
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Yeah I thought it was early for Mario Williams too.. Plus people should seperate complete DEs, pass rushing specialists, and 3-4 DEs.
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Complete DEs

1. Aaron Kampman
2. Jared Allen
3. Patrick Kearney
4. Kyle Vanden Bosch
5. Justin Tuck
6. Aaron Schobel
7. Will Smith
8. Andre Carter
9. Cullen Jenkins
10. Robert Geathers

Pass-Rushing DEs

1. Dwight Freeney
2. Osi Umenyiora
3. Mario Williams
4. Elvis Dumervil
5. Jason Taylor
6. John Abraham
7.Derrick Burgess
8. Julius Peppers
9. Kabeer Gbaja Biamilla
10. Tambi Hali

3-4 DEs

1.Richard Seymour
2. Haolti Ngata
3. Darnell Docket
4. Trevor Pryce
5. Luis Castillo
6. Aaron Smith
7. Ty Warren
8. Shaun Ellis
9. Corey Williams
10. Igor Olshansky
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Did you just rate Tamba Hali as being better at rushing the passer then Julius Peppers, Burgess and KGB???

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Tamba Hali is not even top ten and that is coming from a Chiefs fan he has looked lost since we moved him to RDE he should move back to LDE IMO.
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Tamba Hali is not even top ten and that is coming from a Chiefs fan he has looked lost since we moved him to RDE he should move back to LDE IMO.
Yah that was my fault, I was just writing down names to give myself a comprehensive list and forgot to moves a couple of the guys around...i'll edit it in just a minute...and I'm going to leave Tamba on the list because what I saw last year was a great young DE and I know he hasn't looked great this year but thats after just 2 games of being at a new position
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Don't hold me to this, but here's my top-5 3-4 ends and top-10 4-3 ends off the top of my head (probably missed a couple players):

3-4:

1. Ty Warren, Patriots (16 GS, 53 tackles, 4.0 sacks)
2. Richard Seymour, Patriots (8 GS, 23 tackles, 1.5 sacks)
3. Haloti Ngata, Ravens (16 GS, 63 tackles, 3.0 sacks)
4. Luis Castillo, Chargers (9 GS, 33 tackles, 2.5 sacks)
5. Aaron Smith, Steelers (11 GS, 30 tackles, 2.5 sacks)

Seymour was passed by Warren (for now) because Warren has been more durable, consistent, and well-rounded lately. This year, Seymour looks a lot healthier, so he or Ngata might claim the #1 spot. Aaron Smith is still hanging on there as well.

4-3:

1. Jared Allen, Vikings (14 GS, 55 tackles, 14.5 sacks)
2. Mario Williams, Texans (16 GS, 59 tackles, 14.0 sacks)
3. Jason Taylor, Redskins (16 GS, 56 tackles, 11.0 sacks)
4. Aaron Kampman, Packers (15 GS, 64 tackles, 12.0 sacks)
5. Osi Umenyiora, Giants (16 GS, 52 tackles, 13.0 sacks)
6. Justin Tuck, Giants (2 GS, 65 tackles, 10.0 sacks)
7. Kyle Vanden Bosch, Titans (16 GS, 60 tackles, 12.0 sacks)
8. Julius Peppers, Panthers (14 GS, 38 tackles, 2.5 sacks)
9. Dwight Freeney, Colts (9 GS, 21 tackles, 3.5 sacks)
10. Trent Cole, Eagles (16 GS, 70 tackles, 12.5 sacks)

Jared Allen has been a monster lately. Mario gets the edge over Taylor because Taylor has looked bad this year and because Mario plays the run much better. Kampman is close to overtaking Taylor. Osi will probably drop after the season because of his injury, Tuck looks like a strong candidate to move up since he's looked excellent. Vanden Bosch has been very productive lately and plays the run well. Peppers could be top-5 but has looked bad this year and last. If Freeney plays a full season and picks up 12 sacks or so, I expect him to pass at least Vanden Bosch and Peppers and perhaps Umenyiora or Taylor. Cole beat out Aaron Schobel for me, as he's been an excellent pass rusher for Philly.
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What I love about Defensive Ends like Mario Williams, Jared Allen, Aaron Kampman, and Justin Tuck is they are just as good against the run as they at rushing the passers.
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What I love about Defensive Ends like Mario Williams, Jared Allen, Aaron Kampman, and Justin Tuck is they are just as good against the run as they at rushing the passers.
which is why Strahan is one of the greatest of all time, probably a better run stuffer than pass stuffer. Tuck needs to improve his pass rushing a bit more though. And Osi is pretty good against the run

but I agree, Mario is a freak, because he's big AND has the speed. same with Tuck. Kampman and Allen aren't as fast as an Osi, Mario or Tuck, but damn strong, quick and smart
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Herm Edwards plans to block John Abraham with 3 people. ABE WILL STILL BREAK THROUGH!
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Seriously guys, get Peppers off your lists.
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A list from someone who sohuld have cred here when talking defensive ends...

(Keeping Osi off because of the injury)

1 - Aaron Kampman - Packers
2 - Mario Williams - Texans
3 - Jared Allen - Vikings
4 - Richard Seymour - Patriots
5 - Justin Tuck - Giants
6 - Haloti Ngata - Ravens
7 - Patrick Kearney - Seahawks
8 - Will Smith - Saints
9 - John Abraham - Falcons
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I think Mario Williams is a very very good player but I don't see how he's #1 on a lot of these lists. He had a great season and it looks like he'll continue to have a very good if not dominant career, but there is no way he is the best DE in the NFL right now.
Don't listen to this crazy man! He just still pissed off about Mario raping his entire team with a crumpled up, sandpaper condom in the '07 season opener.

And for anyone that put Mario as your #1, kudos to you. Mario will not disappoint you guys, and he will make you look like geniuses by the end of the year.

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I don't see how it's too early to place Mario at #1. He came in as a highly touted player, broke out for 14 or whatever sacks last year, and is on pace for 32 this year(yeah, I know). This isn't a career achievement list, no player rankings are unless specified, or else you must think Brett Favre is better than Tom Brady and/or Peyton Manning, and that Kurt Warner is better than Ben Roethlisberger or Drew Brees.
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Complete DEs

1. Aaron Kampman
2. Jared Allen
3. Patrick Kearney
4. Kyle Vanden Bosch
5. Justin Tuck
6. Aaron Schobel
7. Will Smith
8. Andre Carter
9. Cullen Jenkins
10. Robert Geathers

Pass-Rushing DEs

1. Dwight Freeney
2. Osi Umenyiora
3. Mario Williams
4. Elvis Dumervil
5. Jason Taylor
6. John Abraham
7.Derrick Burgess
8. Julius Peppers
9. Kabeer Gbaja Biamilla
10. Tambi Hali

3-4 DEs

1.Richard Seymour
2. Haolti Ngata
3. Darnell Docket
4. Trevor Pryce
5. Luis Castillo
6. Aaron Smith
7. Ty Warren
8. Shaun Ellis
9. Corey Williams
10. Igor Olshansky
I really don't understand how Mario Williams is not under the "complete" category.
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Complete DEs

1. Aaron Kampman
2. Jared Allen
3. Patrick Kearney
4. Kyle Vanden Bosch
5. Justin Tuck
6. Aaron Schobel
7. Will Smith
8. Andre Carter
9. Cullen Jenkins
10. Robert Geathers

Pass-Rushing DEs

1. Dwight Freeney
2. Osi Umenyiora
3. Mario Williams
4. Elvis Dumervil
5. Jason Taylor
6. John Abraham
7.Derrick Burgess
8. Julius Peppers
9. Kabeer Gbaja Biamilla
10. Tambi Hali

3-4 DEs

1.Richard Seymour
2. Haolti Ngata
3. Darnell Docket
4. Trevor Pryce
5. Luis Castillo
6. Aaron Smith
7. Ty Warren
8. Shaun Ellis
9. Corey Williams
10. Igor Olshansky
Mario is just as good, maybe better at playing the run than he is at rushing the passer. He is in no way just a pass rusher.
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I really don't understand how Mario Williams is not under the "complete" category.
I was not putting the same guy under two categories because it made the list a lot easier
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I was not putting the same guy under two categories because it made the list a lot easier
If the categories were "run-stopping" and "pass-rushing" I would understand, but a "complete" DE is one that can both get after the quarterback very well, and stop the run. Placing Mario in the pass rushing category, when a complete category is available makes it seem like he is not an excellent run-stopper, and is wrong.
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Yeah, I don't think it's too early to put Mario at #1. The guy is one of, if not, the best defensive ends against the run and has 12 sacks in his last 8 games. Right now, he's definitely top three and I think a very good argument could be made for #1 overall.
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