Xbox 360 Thread - Page 361

njx9 · 11-07-2011, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Forenci

A lot of people don't like it, but I don't personally don't mind it. I feel like anytime a developer is willing to step out of their comfort zone and try new things it's always positive. BioWare used to only be about hardcore RPG's but now they're trying to add some new styles of genre to their arsenal.

oh come on. it's not like they're a metal band trying to add blues elements to their songwriting. they see all the people who buy every single cod/mw/whateverfpsclonecomesnext release by the million and they want some of that. mass effect was a far better and more interesting game than anything in that genre will ever be, and there are a million other places they could go and still do a smart game if they wanted to. but why should they? most gamers don't want that. they want an online fps (that will be relevant for the next 3-4 months until the next one comes out). so bioware's slowly but surely obliging. just like nearly every other 'big' studio.

nepg · 11-07-2011, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ElectricEye

Eh, everything is derivative of everything. Original ideas are extremely rare and executing them right the first time around is even more of a rarity. It's all about putting your own touch on something. I'm not excited by the picture...but I'm certainly not turned off by it either.

I don't have any issue with a developer stealing Brink and making it a good game. There were only a few redeeming qualities about the concept, but Bioware could churn out a monster.

ElectricEye · 11-07-2011, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by njx9

oh come on. it's not like they're a metal band trying to add blues elements to their songwriting. they see all the people who buy every single cod/mw/whateverfpsclonecomesnext release by the million and they want some of that. mass effect was a far better and more interesting game than anything in that genre will ever be, and there are a million other places they could go and still do a smart game if they wanted to. but why should they? most gamers don't want that. they want an online fps (that will be relevant for the next 3-4 months until the next one comes out). so bioware's slowly but surely obliging. just like nearly every other 'big' studio.

I do think there's something to be said for this, even though I try to keep a moderate stance. What's happening with games right now is similar to what happened with Hollywood. There's not really any good way to stop it so long supply and demand dictates that people want military first person shooters. The problem with games is that production costs are so high that it's impossible to get something comparable to a AAA title's production values from small studios(except for Hawken) so we don't really have a whole lot to choose from. I've enjoyed a lot of the first person shooters that have come out in recent years, but I would appreciate it if the volume of them didn't interfere with other things coming out. That's happening, unfortunately. I really don't blame the companies for chasing the huge dollar signs, but it is disheartening to see the people who made Knights of the Old Republic and Mass Effect go in that direction(if that's the case).

Of course, if you wanted to play devil's advocate, the late 90's/early 2000's were over-saturated with fighting games...and before that it was platformers. Slightly different, but still. Plus, this is really the wrong time to be launching an IP. New consoles are coming out in within the next two years. If I'm a company looking to do something new, I'm aiming for a good three years down the line.

....plus, there's the elephant in the room. Japan **** the bed this console generation. For a variety of reasons, but it happened.

njx9 · 11-07-2011, 07:56 PM

absolutely, not to mention the MMO's after EQ and really after WOW, though that's less of a console concern.

there are still some solid games coming out of 'indie' developers who are getting mainstream backing. bastion has been a lot of fun so far, for instance.

nepg · 11-07-2011, 08:04 PM

EQ ruined MMOs. UO pre-pub16 for life (many will say pre-earlier version than that, but 16 was the last straw for me...complete game breaker). WoW is just an evolution of EQ.

Caddy · 11-07-2011, 11:14 PM

Do we know for a fact the screenshot indicates a shooter? It could just as easily be a vehicular combat game!

njx9 · 11-07-2011, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by nepg

EQ ruined MMOs. UO pre-pub16 for life (many will say pre-earlier version than that, but 16 was the last straw for me...complete game breaker). WoW is just an evolution of EQ.

don't disagree, i hated EQ. though, i had a bizarre thing for Asheron's Call. probably because i got in on the beta, and got to play it for free for a few months.

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Originally Posted by Caddy

Do we know for a fact the screenshot indicates a shooter? It could just as easily be a vehicular combat game!

i'd kill for a new version of carmageddon.

islandboy843 · 11-08-2011, 12:37 AM

Playing MW3 with Devin Taylor too cool....

M.O.T.H. · 11-08-2011, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Caddy

Do we know for a fact the screenshot indicates a shooter? It could just as easily be a vehicular combat game!

That's even worse...

Because we're talking about Bioware here...not the direction I want them going in.

I'm not a fan of vehicular combat myself, anyway. These games are fun for a whole 5 minutes before they grow stale, imo. And RAGE just did this same thing essentially.

This Wasteland and barren desert location stuff is just getting really played out.

Prowler · 11-08-2011, 08:48 AM

At least they aren't messing up current franchises. No Darth Revan first person adventures. (instead they make it so that most of the original fan base won't play it because they don't like to game on computer anymore)Or Jade Empire battle cards.

ElectricEye · 11-08-2011, 08:58 AM

Haha, I would love another Jade Empire. I think they would have to approach it the right way, but the first one was quite good despite not hitting on all cylinders. The art direction was seriously cool and the gameplay was really fun as well. I think that's one they could do a ton better on if they revisited, with technology allowing for bigger set pieces and more detail. They're also quite a bit more experienced with real time combat as well, so that could be seriously cool.

But yeah, I'm not going to pass judgement until we see something concrete...or really until I get a chance to play it. Just way too early to do that, even if it does look like Fall of BorderRage. Just a piece of concept art.

M.O.T.H. · 11-08-2011, 09:06 AM

Some of these new future IPs are killing me...I really need Quantic Dream to release an image and/or trailer for their new game already.

I wouldnt mind someone coming out with a new steampunk style game as well.

ElectricEye · 11-08-2011, 09:16 AM

Did you see the first Alan Wake screenshot? I saw it posted on a new site the other day. Not really much to it, but it was great to see more Alan Wake.

M.O.T.H. · 11-08-2011, 09:19 AM

Yeah I saw it....pretty cool that they're using the same engine build for a downloadable only game. I'm sure it will be fun, I just question the game's length and price.

Alan Wake was a good game...I was a little let down by it, because I had been waiting for that game ever since it was announced. And it wasnt everything I had hoped it would be. The combat/enemy types werent very varied, the story wasnt as good as I was hoping, and the character interaction in general, wasnt all that deep. Alice disappears way too early in the game...I wish there was more build up to it, a stronger opening. And they should have delved into Alan Wake as a character more. He was supposed to be more of a depressed dick and struggle with alcoholism...the story and the character of Wake himself, could have been much stronger.

I def. still really liked the game...I just wanted it to be more than it was.

brat316 · 11-08-2011, 01:00 PM

I figure this thread would be full of COD.

M.O.T.H. · 11-08-2011, 01:06 PM

Somebody steered them all to COD specific thread.

M.O.T.H. · 11-08-2011, 01:15 PM

EE brought it up a bit before...but these new consoles will be out before we know it. I never had the money to buy one right away, but I will now...never really went through the whole experience of buying one of these things on launch day. Not really looking forward to the process, either...and they're both going to be grossly overpriced right away, I'm sure. But I do believe I'll be picking them up as soon as they're readily available. The new Xbox most def, the PS4 will probably depend more on the first set of exclusives...I'm bound to get both again, anyway.

I'm starting to get a little excited to see the new hardware and expected exclusives.

I still dont see myself picking up a Wii U anytime soon, but some "hardcore" exclusives may be able to get me.

ElectricEye · 11-08-2011, 04:09 PM

I would be highly surprised if I don't end up with all of them at one point or another. At least access to them, anyway. But yeah, the new Xbox will be first on my priority list as well and I'll probably buy it on Day 1. I've never done that before either haha. Closest I've ever come was a week after the 360 launched. My Mom bought me one because a girl dumped me and I was sort of just loafing around the house. It was pretty much the best thing ever. We should hear something about dates and things for this stuff at the next E3...and it's really about time.

I killed Dark Souls. I actually had no idea I was that close to beating it. Thought I had quite a bit more to go. The ending wasn't fantastic, didn't really seem to have near as much build up as I thought it would. Certainly wasn't Fable bad though haha...but then again nothing is. Really not sure what to play next. I put 80 hours on Dark Souls in a little over a month. Playing anything else would just kind of feel weird haha. I've got Rage, Battlefield, and Shadow of the Colossus on deck right now. I'll probably end up playing Battlefield, but I need a little time to digest Dark Souls haha. That might require another playthrough.

M.O.T.H. · 11-08-2011, 04:27 PM

80 hours is a haul for one playthrough. My Fallout 3 and Oblvion playthroughs dont touch 80 hours, and that is with all the side quests being completed. (At least in Fallout, but even if I finished all the side in Oblivion, it probably wouldn't have hit 80 hours)

For me, I'm going to finish Enslaved within the next few days and then move on to my bi-yearly Shenmue playthrough. lol. I'm actually really excited for it. No joke.

As for Enslaved...I'm really enjoying it, it's true that it could be a little rough, but it's a good game. I keep thinking back to Nier while I'm playing this for some reason. But imho, Nier > Enslaved. But they're both good.

ElectricEye · 11-08-2011, 04:36 PM

Well, 80 hours includes two start overs. The actual time on the clock was 66...but I did everything very inefficiently and with looking up very minimal information online. I'm willing to bet if I went back through it, I could pop it off in 25-30. I might just do that. It feels like there's so much more to do in it. Certainly not a bad value for my cash haha.

But yeah, I would really like to pick Nier up sometime. I've been kind of eyeing it for awhile. It'll probably be a bit as I still have tons of new releases to pick my way through, but it'll get done at some point for sure.

M.O.T.H. · 11-08-2011, 04:45 PM

I hear you man...I have so many games that I need to play yet. A good problem to have, at least. I still havent even played AC: Brotherhood yet. I kind of want to play AC2 again before it, but that seems so unnecessary. I also have Alpha Protocol, which I haven't touched yet. And I really want to get in some re-plays in Mass Effect 2, Prototype, Metro 2033, and the Darkness. Probably try to position those right in front of the upcoming sequels.

Then of course there are the games I want...in Skyrim, Dark Souls, Demon Souls, Ico/SotC, RE4 remake, Metal Gear collection, Batman: AC, etc.

I think things get pretty quiet after Skyrim's release at least for a while...so there will be plenty of time to get some of these done. haha.

Caddy · 11-08-2011, 04:57 PM

Stop it MOTH. You are reminding me of all the games I've never finished :(

ElectricEye · 11-08-2011, 05:03 PM

Yeah, note to game publishers; release **** in the summer. This "Oh **** it, Holiday cram!" thing sucks for consumers haha. Of course, I'm sure there's some economic realities to the situation to, but besides LA Noire there really wasn't anything for some of those games to run up against. Seems like they could have easily gotten a few extra sales for one or two of those titles, which are just going to be buried under Call of Duty at this time of year anyway.

Prowler · 11-08-2011, 05:13 PM

I would have killed for batman or assassins creed revelations in June

Caddy · 11-08-2011, 05:36 PM

Blame Rockstar for stopping publishers releasing games in Q2.