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PACKmanN · 09-19-2008, 12:38 PM

wow you guys are acting as if these guys are kids that are coaching. They drafted him with a plan on offense and how he would fit that plan.

These guys are coaches in the NFL, not children. They should know what to do with talent and put them were they will be successful, period.

09-19-2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MetSox17

If you ever find me ripping off someone else's argument, that isn't too vague to be identified to just one person, please point it out.

Yup, I copied your argument to sound smart.

ATLDirtyBirds · 09-19-2008, 01:05 PM

Reggie Bush is a football player. And a very good one. Use him like you'd use the most athletic kid in backyard games. Put him in the backfield and take some carries. Line him up at WR. Send him in motion, etc.

Twiddler · 09-19-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PACKmanN

wow you guys are acting as if these guys are kids that are coaching. They drafted him with a plan on offense and how he would fit that plan.

These guys are coaches in the NFL, not children. They should know what to do with talent and put them were they will be successful, period.

So you have never gone on this site and said that coaches should do something different with a certain player? Good for you, but this is a forum, we're discussing opinions. Try not to get your panties in a bunch because some people are thinking he should be utilized in a different manner.

As for Bush, I think I agree that he just needs more of a hybrid/specialized role for him, kind of like they have been doing. Like others have said, I'm not sure that putting him specifically as WR would be a good idea because of how the coverage would be right on him, unlike in the flats.

Flyboy · 09-19-2008, 01:28 PM

No. It would be a horrible idea to do so.

Bruce · 09-19-2008, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CutlerChris

Is it just me, or should Reggie Bush move to WR, at least most of the time? I know it sounds very IDD, but really, he is an ineffective runner, let's admit. That being said, even as a detractor of Bush, I do know:

He is electric in open space.
He has very good hands.
He has experience lining up at WR sometimes.

The problem has been actually getting him in open space. Putting him at WR would make it much easier. It would allow him to catch the ball with only one or two guys near him, he would be a major weapon on screens and reverses, and he wouldn't need to move through a hole in the front seven. When he gets into open space, he makes big plays. That's where most of his TDs have come.

He's what? 6' 200? That's decent size for a WR with his athleticism. Personally I think he could do it, and salvage his career.

You want to know why he can't run? This is why.

http://198.104.135.225/forums/showthread.php?t=83678

http://198.104.135.225/forums/showthread.php?t=83650

http://198.104.135.225/forums/showthread.php?t=83744

The O-Line is horrid. Reggie gets blamed way too much.

Flyboy · 09-19-2008, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce

You want to know why he can't run? This is why.

http://198.104.135.225/forums/showthread.php?t=83678

http://198.104.135.225/forums/showthread.php?t=83650

http://198.104.135.225/forums/showthread.php?t=83744

The O-Line is horrid. Reggie gets blamed way too much.

OMG, don't show them proof of our shoddy offensive line in terms of run blocking!

wicket · 09-19-2008, 01:45 PM

truly i get where you are coming from, however tbh it is not the move to make my opinion, not untill we have a feature back who can carry the load at least, he can do a lot of damage as a wr but the damage he can do as a receiving runner is that much bigger

MetSox17 · 09-19-2008, 02:30 PM

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yes, because you're the first person ever to say or think that Vick was just an exceptional athlete who was out of place at times on the football field, brilliant.

Wow, you don't stop the trolling huh?

Read the posts before you spew nonsense onto the boards.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) · 09-19-2008, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

OMG, don't show them proof of our shoddy offensive line in terms of run blocking!

Look, I'm no idiot. I know that there's more to a runningback than yards per carry, and ypc alone is not a great argument. But, I can't remember anyone else, in their third year, with the support Reggie has had around him, with all the Saints weapons on offense, a top-5 QB, receivers that can get open downfield and move the chains, and before this year(and part of year 2), another RB to take pressure off, struggle so damn much. If anyone can come up with any other evidence of a runningback unable to get to 4 ypc despite having a great passing game and never facing eight man fronts, while another RB on his own team is easily doing it(despite the fact that Deuce McAllister has been past his career prime since Bush came into the league), in his third year and then turn it around, then that would certainly lend validity to the chance of him stopping his suckage.

The Unseen · 09-19-2008, 03:17 PM

I'm a Reggie Bush critic, but he should be kept at RB. What if the reason he's successful as a pass catcher is because LBs can cover him out of the backfield, thus taking advantages of mismatches? I'm not against lining him up in the slot now and then, but it's not like good at backfield pass catching = good at wide out pass catching. Besides, he's not a bad runner.

Bruce · 09-19-2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CutlerChris

Look, I'm no idiot. I know that there's more to a runningback than yards per carry, and ypc alone is not a great argument. But, I can't remember anyone else, in their third year, with the support Reggie has had around him, with all the Saints weapons on offense, a top-5 QB, receivers that can get open downfield and move the chains, and before this year(and part of year 2), another RB to take pressure off, struggle so damn much. If anyone can come up with any other evidence of a runningback unable to get to 4 ypc despite having a great passing game and never facing eight man fronts, while another RB on his own team is easily doing it(despite the fact that Deuce McAllister has been past his career prime since Bush came into the league), in his third year and then turn it around, then that would certainly lend validity to the chance of him stopping his suckage.

What's he supposed to do with this?

But hey, he hit the hole!

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) · 09-19-2008, 03:43 PM

My bad Bruce, I forgot the Saints are the only team that ever misses a block.

Bruce · 09-19-2008, 03:50 PM

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My bad Bruce, I forgot the Saints are the only team that ever misses a block.

On a consistent basis, yes. Jim Brown couldn't average 4YPC with that o-line.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) · 09-19-2008, 04:00 PM

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On a consistent basis, yes. Jim Brown couldn't average 4YPC with that o-line.

I somehow doubt that at his peak, Jim Brown couldn't get more than one tenth of a yard per carry more than Pierre Thomas.

CC.SD · 09-19-2008, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by PACKmanN

wow you guys are acting as if these guys are kids that are coaching. They drafted him with a plan on offense and how he would fit that plan.

These guys are coaches in the NFL, not children. They should know what to do with talent and put them were they will be successful, period.

Come on, this is not a great argument; watch Ted Cottrell's defense and tell me he knows what to do with talent...the guy is not blitzing while running a 3-4 defense! and he's been an NFL coach forever.

Reggie could definitely be used better. Coaches are NOT infallible. In fact sometimes they are extremely mistaken.

In all though, they really could just beef up their O-line. It's not like Reggie's forgotten how to run, watch his college tapes...when he gets daylight he is undeniable. In New Orleans, he could use a whole lot more daylight.

Bruce · 09-19-2008, 04:08 PM

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I somehow doubt that at his peak, Jim Brown couldn't get more than one tenth of a yard per carry more than Pierre Thomas.

How much do you actually know about the Saints other than Reggie can't get more than 3.6 YPC?

CC.SD · 09-19-2008, 04:12 PM

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How much do you actually know about the Saints other than Reggie can't get more than 3.6 YPC?

Well, he'd love to be in that number when they come marching in, that's for damn sure.

Bruce · 09-19-2008, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CC.SD

Well, he'd love to be in that number when they come marching in, that's for damn sure.

And just to clarify i'm not trying to question his intelligence. I was just wondering how much he knew about the team around him. A RB can only do so much.

Flyboy · 09-19-2008, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce

And just to clarify i'm not trying to question his intelligence. I was just wondering how much he knew about the team around him. A RB can only do so much.

That's all I'm saying as well. Lot of people that speak out against the Saints don't even know much about the team in general. I'm not questioning Cutler's intelligence because I know he's one of the best posters on here, but still.

Let's take the play that won against TB in Week One for example.. that play was deemed a kill by Brees at the LOS, Reggie started in the backfield and then took a swing pass for the game-winning TD. You move him to WR you kill what makes him the player that he is: versatility.

comahan · 09-19-2008, 04:56 PM

Yep, Reggie is pretty horrible.

CC.SD · 09-19-2008, 05:07 PM

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Yep, Reggie is pretty horrible.

Epic victory.

Vox Populi · 09-19-2008, 05:57 PM

Who in here honestly thought that Reggie Bush was going to be a running back like most others? It's ridiculous to even be comparing Peterson to Bush, cause they're completely different players. It's like comparing Carson Palmer or Ben Roethlisberger to Michael Vick. No where near the same type of players, even though they play the same position. One has all the prototypical tools you'd want in that position, and the other has crazy athleticism, which you can use in many different ways.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) · 09-19-2008, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Vox Populi

Who in here honestly thought that Reggie Bush was going to be a running back like most others?

Pretty much everyone on this forum.

P-L · 09-19-2008, 06:12 PM

Maybe Saints fans should explain to us why since 2006 Deuce McAllister has averaged 4.3 yards per carry, Pierre Thomas has averaged 4.6 yards per carry, and Reggie Bush has averaged 3.6 yards per carry behind the SAME offensive line.