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Old 09-23-2008, 11:40 AM    (permalink
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Al Harris had two bad games last year, against Terrell Owens in the regular season and Plaxico Burress in the postseason. Not exactly scrubs in their own right.
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Al Harris had two bad games last year, against Terrell Owens in the regular season and Plaxico Burress in the postseason. Not exactly scrubs in their own right.
I'm sorry, i didn't know you had seen every Packers game last year.
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I'm sorry, i didn't know you had seen every Packers game last year.
Al Harris did fine last year. He had trouble with the bigger receivers hence why Woodson was covering TO this past week
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I'm sorry, i didn't know you had seen every Packers game last year.
Please name the other receivers that "torched" him other than TO and Plax.
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Al Harris had two bad games last year, against Terrell Owens in the regular season and Plaxico Burress in the postseason. Not exactly scrubs in their own right.
Exactly, MetSox has no idea what he's talking about. Those two along with Drew Carter were the only real Wideouts who had big games on Harris. Also, don't forget plexiglass was held to 32 yards in their first meeting.

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Al Harris got beat like a dirty rug for most of the year last year.
A couple of games is most of the year? Ha.
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If you guys would like me to provide some metric evidence I can back up Metsox claim that he was horrid last year. In fact, he was one of the worst starting corners in the league. Allowing within a yard of a first down for every ball completed on him.

The metrics tell me he gets burned, my eyes tell me he gets burned, the only thing telling me he doesn't get burned is packer fans and dreadlock lovers going off name recognition.

Watch when GB's pass defense doesn't miss a beat. I'll bet they see no drop off in defense with Harris out. That should show everyone the reality of the situation.
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I don't think there's any question that Al Harris has been regressing for a few years now, but I'm not sure that makes him entirely expendable either. Sucks to end your career due to injury, but I'd be suprised if he ever comes back from this.

That Justin Harrell picks looks worse and worse all the time. They had their choice of corners at 16.
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I don't think there's any question that Al Harris has been regressing for a few years now, but I'm not sure that makes him entirely expendable either. Sucks to end your career due to injury, but I'd be suprised if he ever comes back from this.

That Justin Harrell picks looks worse and worse all the time. They had their choice of corners at 16.
The only one worth considering was Aaron Ross. IMO, the only CB in that class that has lived up to the first round grade is Revis.
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I don't think there's any question that Al Harris has been regressing for a few years now, but I'm not sure that makes him entirely expendable either. Sucks to end your career due to injury, but I'd be suprised if he ever comes back from this.

That Justin Harrell picks looks worse and worse all the time. They had their choice of corners at 16.
The Harrell pick will be forever questioned
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The only one worth considering was Aaron Ross. IMO, the only CB in that class that has lived up to the first round grade is Revis.
I really don't know what Leon Hall has done, presumably not much since he's in Cincy, but it would have to be an improvement over Harrell.

And yeah...that Ross guy isn't so bad either.
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The only one worth considering was Aaron Ross. IMO, the only CB in that class that has lived up to the first round grade is Revis.
Ross has definately lived up to his first round grade. He would've been an excellent pick for you guys.

and perhaps Harris has re-ocurring nightmares of Plaxico Burress, which can't help ;)

but this is a big blow for the Pack, it'll be interesting if they mix up their D more with more blitzes and such. They(from what I've seen, I could be wrong) are pretty vanilla on D. Perhaps this will change things up for them? who know
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Harell is going to get healthy. come back, and beast mode.
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Not so fast...

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfcnorth/...s-returns.html

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There is a "good chance" that Green Bay cornerback Al Harris can avoid surgery on his ruptured spleen, Packers coach Mike McCarthy told reporters Wednesday, and the team hasn't ruled a possible return to the field this season.

Multiple reports have suggested Harris will miss the remainder of the season whether or not he has surgery, but McCarthy wasn't ready to confirm that information Wednesday. Harris is speaking with several specialists to determine his treatment program.

UPDATE: Jack Bechta, Harris' agent, reported on The National Football Post web site that Harris could start "non-impact" workouts in as little as a week if no new information surfaces on the injury -- which Bechta said was a "laceration" rather than a rupture. If so, Harris would start a timetable that would get him back on the field before the end of the season.
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wow, taking out a spleen just so he would be able to play. I dont know what a spleen does and how important it is, but that seems to be on a similar level of dedication as Ronnie Lott cutting off has his pinkey to play.
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Well, hopefully things end up better than we initially imagined. I'll cross my fingers.
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wow, taking out a spleen just so he would be able to play. I dont know what a spleen does and how important it is, but that seems to be on a similar level of dedication as Ronnie Lott cutting off has his pinkey to play.
I'm not a scientist, but I believe the spleen destroys excess red blood cells and serves as a blood storage. Without a spleen your immunity system can get messed up.

So...I guess short term there's really no clear harm in removing it, but I'm not sure that would solve the problem since the biggest problem is that he'll take a hit and his inners will get damaged even worse.

This is what happened to Chris Simms as some may recall. It took him almost two years to get back to full health.
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and perhaps Harris has re-ocurring nightmares of Plaxico Burress, which can't help ;)
Should we just refer to plax as the career killer? Sheldon Brown just has never been the same since meeting mister burress on the field either.
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I'm not a scientist, but I believe the spleen destroys excess red blood cells and serves as a blood storage. Without a spleen your immunity system can get messed up.

So...I guess short term there's really no clear harm in removing it, but I'm not sure that would solve the problem since the biggest problem is that he'll take a hit and his inners will get damaged even worse.

This is what happened to Chris Simms as some may recall. It took him almost two years to get back to full health.
It removes usless red bloodcells and really helps fight infection, without it you can get infections a lot easier which wouldn't be a good idea for athletes who're already infection risks.

Remeber though, Simms' spleen was ruptured because Rucker smashed him, if Harri's only has a laceration its not nearly as bad, but over exersion can lead to it worsening which wouldn't be cool.
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Haven't had much time to log on, but here we go. Aside from the games where he got blasted by T.O and Plax (in the biggest game of his life, btw), i'm gonna take a post from PMD in the other thread, that most Packers fans conveniently missed.

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Charles Woodson - Targeted 62 times (16% of pass plays) / 58% success rate (8th in the NFL) / Average Yards Gained 7.7 / 10 passes defended / 4 passes intercepted

Al Harris - Targeted 74 times (17% of pass plays) / 40% success rate (74th in the NFL) / Average Yards Gained 9.4 / 8 passes defended / 2 passes intercepted

That's not a slight difference. That's a huge difference. Harris was, for all intents and purposes, one of the very worst cornerbacks to start all 16 games of the regular season. This has nothing to do with the game he played against Plaxico Burress and everything to do with that fact that he mostly stunk last season.
Please, give it up, Packers fans (and Geo).
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The metrics do look bad for Harris, I don't disagree.

Although both Woodson and Harris were among the most penalized corners last year.
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You've got to expect that when you employ a pair of fierce, physical corners though.

Any new word on Harris?
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Haven't had much time to log on, but here we go. Aside from the games where he got blasted by T.O and Plax (in the biggest game of his life, btw), i'm gonna take a post from PMD in the other thread, that most Packers fans conveniently missed.



Please, give it up, Packers fans (and Geo).

Where did those stats come from? Last stats I saw Woodson was rated #1 in the nfl in success rate. By footballoutsiders or CHFF I think.
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Old 09-25-2008, 06:28 PM    (permalink
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Looks like he might actually be able to return this year according to his agent


"Harris Hopes To Return In 2008

From: Jack Bechta, Agent for Al Harris

Although a splenetic injury has to be taken very seriously, Al Harris is determined to play this season and there is new hope of Al returning in several weeks.

However, the training and medical staff of the Packers are approaching this injury with extreme diligence and caution. They are going the extra mile, as they usually do, to make sure that they have all the relevant information needed to help Al make the appropriate decisions and more importantly, to make sure he does not jeopardize his long term health.

As of today, this is what I know:

1. Al has suffered a laceration of the spleen on the collision he had with AJ Hawk.



2. The CT scan did show some damage and bleeding.



3. Al is currently in the process of getting a 3rd and 4th opinion by two prominent surgeons.



4. As of today, the time line is that Al will be re-evaluated and scanned again in a few weeks.

If there are no additional concerns from the new opinions, which I hope to receive in the next 48 hours, then Al can start “non-impact” workouts such as elliptical or pool work in one weeks time. Only until the future CT scans show that there has been significant healing, may Al be released to start light football activities and practice. Therefore, the good news is that Al may return this year and that this is not a life and death situation. No definitive return date has been set, but knowing Al like I do, he will heal fast and do everything in his power to get back on the field. As more information comes in from the additional opinions I will keep you updated here at The National Football Post (nfpost.com).

On a side note, Al has only missed one other football game in his whole HS, College and Pro career. He suffered a high ankle sprain in college and missed just 1 game. In addition, he is so determined to play that he has already asked one Doctor on Monday to “remove his Spleen so he can play against Tampa this weekend”. The Doc obviously made it clear that was not a good idea and the recovery time would be several weeks. The Cowboys game marked the 175th straight NFL appearance for Al Harris, an amazing run for such a physical player. This is a player who has told me he wants a Darrell Green-type career and continues to do all the little things 24/7 to make this goal a reality. Therefore, I would not count Al out for this season.

Once again, I will report any additional findings once Al completes his additional opinion search.



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Alright so for all those hating on Al Harris, give me a list of corners that you can confidently say are better than him. Sure he's not top five or even top ten anymore, but he's still a damn good corner.
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