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Old 10-04-2008, 03:55 PM    (permalink
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I'll give you White over Driver, but no way is he a push with Jennings.
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Ok.

White had a better year last year with Joey Harrington at QB in comparison with Brett Favre.

White is still top ten in receiving this year with a rookie QB in a run dominated offense, and has yet to have a 'huge' game.
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Ok.

White had a better year last year with Joey Harrington at QB in comparison with Brett Favre.

White is still top ten in receiving this year with a rookie QB in a run dominated offense, and has yet to have a 'huge' game.
White definitely did not have a better year last year.

White had 1202 yards, 6 TDs, and a 14.5 average
Jennings had 920 yards, 12 TDs, and a 17.4 average

How do you possibly get that White had a better year out of that?

And this year Jennings is also having a better year so far. People said last year that he was just a product of Favre, but this year Favre's gone and he's currently leading the league in yards.

The only argument you have is that Jennings is playing with better QBs. I understand that, but I also think that gets overblown. The QB is supposed to get the WR the ball; Joey Harrington had no problem getting Roddy White the football. In fact White got the ball 83 times last year.
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White definitely did not have a better year last year.

White had 1202 yards, 6 TDs, and a 14.5 average
Jennings had 920 yards, 12 TDs, and a 17.4 average

How do you possibly get that White had a better year out of that?

And this year Jennings is also having a better year so far. People said last year that he was just a product of Favre, but this year Favre's gone and he's currently leading the league in yards.

The only argument you have is that Jennings is playing with better QBs. I understand that, but I also think that gets overblown. The QB is supposed to get the WR the ball; Joey Harrington had no problem getting Roddy White the football. In fact White got the ball 83 times last year.

30 more catches and 300 more yards is a better year. Obviously the reason he didn't score as much as Jennings did is because of the offensive production. Considering situations White had a much better year last year.

And the arguement still stands. The offensive situation in Green Bay is still much, much better than the situation in Atlanta.

But obviously you won't change your mind and I will not change mine, so let's leave it at that.
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Jennings put up those numbers on 13 games, while Roddy played 16. Favre also had alot more targets to spread the ball around to then the Falcons so they take away catches.
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And ya Jennings put up those numbers on 13 games, while Roddy played 16.
John Abraham would be a top ten pass rusher of all time if he could stay healthy. Too bad that's not the case.
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John Abraham would be a top ten pass rusher of all time if he could stay healthy. Too bad that's not the case.
Thats not the point, your comparing White vs Jennings and their stats. "Roddy has 30 more rec and 300 yards" well duh usually when you play 3 more games you will. Jennings has twice the TDs

QB doesn't matter its not like Roddy didnt get the ball because his QB blew and couldn't get him it. If that was the case he wouldn't get 83 catches.
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Thats not the point, your comparing White vs Jennings and their stats. "Roddy has 30 more rec and 300 yards" well duh usually when you play 3 more games you will. Jennings has twice the TDs
I'm not even going to play the if game. Like I said I'm done.
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I'm not even going to play the if game. Like I said I'm done.
There is no "if" game its a fact. When you miss games you likely wont put up the stats of someone who played a full season. Would Jennings have gotten 30 recs and 300 yards in 3 games unlikely. But his Avg and twice the amount of Tds would stay. Jennings doesn't stop after he gets the ball he is one of the best with YAC.
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Lol ok. First of all injuries are part of the game. Roddy being more durable and tough is only a positive. Second, you are playing ifs. You are saying 'if' Jennings played 16 games he would have matched Roddy's production. That is an if. And if you want to play ifs we can.

Roddy White accounted for .336 of his teams passing yards last year. Same proportion into Packer's offense comes out to 1,469 yards.

Roddy White accounted for .35 of his teams passing touchdowns last year. Same proportion into Packer's offense comes out to 10 touchdowns.

Roddy White accounted for .25 of his teams receptions last year. Same proportion into Packer's offense comes out to 94 receptions.

Also, this is the same as saying 'if the Atlanta QBs threw as well as the Packer's last year, these would have been Roddy's stats. So 94 receptions, 10 touchdowns, 1,469 yards. Not too shabby.

In comparison, Jennings accounted for 21% of his teams passing yards, 38% of the touchdowns, and 14% of his teams receptions. Want me to factor those numbers into Atlanta's offense? Wouldn't be pretty.

Anyways, those numbers are silly but they are 'ifs' and mathamatically they work out.

And like I said, I won't convince you and you won't convince me so let that be the end of it.
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Atlanta has no other target, no WR, TE... so all pressure is on Roddy which makes it much harder for him. GB has more weapons then just Jennings. You can say Jennings is having a better year, and sure he's leading the NFL in receiving yard, but GB has yet to surpass 100 yards on the ground. All the yards they get is through the air. Atlanta has the number one leading rusher in the NFL.
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Roddy White accounted for .25 of his teams receptions last year. So 94 receptions, 10 touchdowns, 1,469 yards. Not too shabby.

In comparison, Jennings accounted for 21% of his teams passing yards, 38% of the touchdowns, and 14% of his teams receptions. Want me to factor those numbers into Atlanta's offense? Wouldn't be pretty.
There's one major problem with your argument and you even said it in your own post. Jennings is only getting the ball 14% of the time compared to White's 25%. In other words White is getting the ball 1 out of every 4 completions while Jennings is getting it only once out of every 7 completions.

Roddy White got the ball 30 more times than Jennings.

If Jennings got the ball as much as White did he would've had 1441 yards and 19 TDs.

On the other hand had White gotten the ball as little as Jennings he would've only had 768 yards and 4 TDs.
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There's one major problem with your argument and you even said it in your own post. Jennings is only getting the ball 14% of the time compared to White's 25%. In other words White is getting the ball 1 out of every 4 completions while Jennings is getting it only once out of every 7 completions.

Roddy White got the ball 30 more times than Jennings.

If Jennings got the ball as much as White did he would've had 1441 yards and 19 TDs.

On the other hand had White gotten the ball as little as Jennings he would've only had 768 yards and 4 TDs.
That can show Roddy gets open more. Or that Green Bay has more targets.

That's why stats are silly, which is basically what I was saying.

Just watching Roddy last year, I can almost guarentee he was better than Jennings.

But like I said, this arguement will go nowhere.
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I hope you guys realize you are getting nowhere. Legit arguments from both sides can be made and its just different ways of perceiving a situation.

White can be given credit for touching the ball more and putting up better numbers while having terrible QBs. Jennings can be given credit for making so much happen with only a limited amount of touches and with a QB who spread the ball.

This debate can just go in circles.
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That can show Roddy gets open more. Or that Green Bay has more targets.
Bingo! You might finally get it. That's why the fact that White had 30 more catches and 300 more yards doesn't mean a whole lot because Jennings had a much better average.
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That's the thing though, he hasn't put up better numbers
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I hope you guys realize you are getting nowhere. Legit arguments from both sides can be made and its just different ways of perceiving a situation.

White can be given credit for touching the ball more and putting up better numbers while having terrible QBs. Jennings can be given credit for making so much happen with only a limited amount of touches and with a QB who spread the ball.

This debate can just go in circles.
I know that and have said that in like my last five posts, but I dislike not having the last word.
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Bingo! You might finally get it. That's why the fact that White had 30 more catches and 300 more yards doesn't mean a whole lot because Jennings had a much better average.

You obviously didn't watch Jennings then.

EDIT: That's the thing though, he hasn't put up better numbers
But at which expense? At being worse or at being in a terrible offense? The fact is that that question in unable to be answered.
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Lol, Donald Driver isn't close to Roddy at this point and Jennings and Roddy is a push.
Now that's funny. Jennings a push? He's leading the NFL aha.
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Jennings put up those numbers on 13 games, while Roddy played 16. Favre also had alot more targets to spread the ball around to then the Falcons so they take away catches.
No, Roddy played 15...and really 14.5...because of injury...the game he missed was against the defense he lit up for well over 100 yards earlier in the season as well...next point
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Thats not the point, your comparing White vs Jennings and their stats. "Roddy has 30 more rec and 300 yards" well duh usually when you play 3 more games you will. Jennings has twice the TDs

QB doesn't matter its not like Roddy didnt get the ball because his QB blew and couldn't get him it. If that was the case he wouldn't get 83 catches.
Actually the QB couldn't get him the ball...not really...he had to make all of his yards on his own. He was catching 2 yard passes from Joey Harrington, while Jennings was the beneficiary of many long bombs from Brett Favre, and teams still having to respect Donald Driver (a very overlooked workhorse WR)
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30 more catches and 300 more yards is a better year. Obviously the reason he didn't score as much as Jennings did is because of the offensive production. Considering situations White had a much better year last year.

And the arguement still stands. The offensive situation in Green Bay is still much, much better than the situation in Atlanta.

But obviously you won't change your mind and I will not change mine, so let's leave it at that.
How do you win football games? By scoring. Jenning had TWICE THE NUMBER OF TOUCHDOWNS! Let me repeat that for those of you that are a little slo. GREG JENNINGS HAD TWICE THE NUMBER OF TOUCHDOWNS AS RODDY WHITE! Did you get that, I would rather not repeat it again. Having 30 less catches makes the number of touchdowns even more impressive. Is Roddy white good, **** ya he is good. But he is not better than Jennings. But than again, not many people are better than Jennings.

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How do you win football games? By scoring. Jenning had TWICE THE NUMBER OF TOUCHDOWNS! Let me repeat that for those of you that are a little slo. GREG JENNINGS HAD TWICE THE NUMBER OF TOUCHDOWNS AS RODDY WHITE! Did you get that, I would rather not repeat it again. Having 30 less catches makes the number of touchdowns even more impressive. Is Roddy white good, **** ya he is good. But he is not better than Jennings. But than again, not many people are better than Jennings.

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How do you catch touchdowns? By catching passes. Roddy was catching balls from JOEY HARRINGTON!!! Let me repeat that for those of you that take a little time to get things. RODDY WHITE HAD JOEY HARRINGTON AT QUARTERBACK! GREG JENNINGS HAD BRETT FAVRE AT QUARTERBACK! Did you get that, I would rather not repeat it again. Having Joey Harrington at QB makes having 83 catches, 1,202 yards, and 6 TDs even more impressive. Is Greg Jennings good, **** yeah he is good. But he is not better than Roddy White. But then again, not many people are better than Roddy White.

Note, the previously mentioned passes can not go over your head, for then they are deemed 'uncatchable.
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How do you catch touchdowns? By catching passes. Roddy was catching balls from JOEY HARRINGTON!!! Let me repeat that for those of you that take a little time to get things. RODDY WHITE HAD JOEY HARRINGTON AT QUARTERBACK! GREG JENNINGS HAD BRETT FAVRE AT QUARTERBACK! Did you get that, I would rather not repeat it again. Having Joey Harrington at QB makes having 83 catches, 1,202 yards, and 6 TDs even more impressive. Is Greg Jennings good, **** yeah he is good. But he is not better than Roddy White. But then again, not many people are better than Roddy White.

Note, the previously mentioned passes can not go over your head, for then they are deemed 'uncatchable.
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Alright, enough Jennings vs White for this thread. All posts regarding that will be deleted at 10:30 so if you have any final words get them in quick.
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lets just let them settle it on the feild this tomorrow
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