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2009 Atlanta Falcons Mock Offseason

2008-2009 Record: 8-8
Offseason Goals: Although the offense was more productive than the defense in 2008, that will be the primary target to improve during the offseason. You build on your strengths, not your weaknesses. Also, the defense has young players at nearly every position.

I expect the team to follow the Colts model. Build through the draft, keep your players, and stay quiet in free agency. This is the perfect year to do so, considering the free agent class is lackluster as far as players who should be targeted for a young Falcons squad. Also, the Falcons need to keep several 2009 and 2010 free agent players in house, including must keeps in Jonathan Babineaux (2009), Jerious Norwood (2010), and Roddy White (2010).

Positionally, the Falcons need few things, but could use several. Offensively, the right side of the line is sufficient but is upgradable. The receiving corp is solid but a number two would be useful. Defensively, the secondary needs help. The linebacking corp should be fine. The same starters should returnm, and if Keith Brooking is let go then Stephen Nicholas should step in fine. The defensive line needs depth.

So, here is what I would do...

Release-
LB Keith Brooking
Reason: This is a tough decision. Brooking can still play. Not at the level he did a few years ago, but he can still play and is a leader. But his sideline to sideline speed is faltering, and his backup Stephen Nicholas is a much better fit for the cover 2 and already sees the field on passing situations. His 5.5 million cap hit isn't huge, but it is more than a player of his current skill level warrents.

WR/ PR Adam Jennings
Reason: He has been better than last year I guess. But he fumbles and doesn't make enough plays.


Re-Sign-
DT Jonathan Babineaux- A great disruptor, especially on running plays, Babineaux is an up and comer and needs to stay in Atlanta. He gets too far upfield and he gets washed down on running plays often, but his disrupting skills and pursuit speed make him a valuable player.

WR Roddy White- Absolutely needs to be a Falcon for many more years. Despite not having amazing hands, he gets open with the best of them and can do just about anything on the football field as a receiver. The connection he has with Matt Ryan is already lethal. Will be a free agent in 2010, need to lock him up early.

RB Jerious Norwood- Either this year or next year, Norwood needs to be re-signed at some point. Despite not being a starter, he still sees 10-20 touches a game when factoring in rushes, receptions, and returns. Perfect compliment to Michael Turner. He may put up great numbers, but if he is smart he knows the way we use him is best for him and his career. He is not a 300 carry a year runningback. He is in the perfect situation as is.

OG Harvey Dahl- Not an amazing starter, but he definitely is tough and shouldn't cost much to keep.


Free Agents Let Go-
Lawyer Milloy- Maybe sign him to a one year contract, but that is it. Still playing at a high level, but for how much longer?

Brent Grimes- He is a decent player, but we need to get better here and we will definitely keep Chevis Jackson and Chris Houston. I doubt we pay much to keep a dime back. If however, we need a cornerback prior to the season, then I can definitely see us bringing him back.

Domanique Foxworth- Essentially the same as Grimes.


Free Agent Signings (Before Draft)

NONE-
There really are no top free agents I see us going after at this point. Chris Gamble is a nice cornerback from Carolina, but I don't see us being big spenders in free agency. As far as the offensive line is concerned I don't see much starter material outside of some left tackles, most of those players will be overpayed. The safties are old. The receivers are either number number ones or no ones. The defensive lineman aren't what we need.

The Draft (record- 8-8, pick 15):

Round 1:

I'm looking offense first and formost. This is probably a bit early for any of the tight ends, and I'm not reaching. No trades in mocks. On the offensive line, I like the tackles but the top three (Oher, Smith, Monroe) will probably be gone. Loadholt isn't a player I want at pick 15. Jason Smith and Meredith are both left tackles. Wide receiver probably hits peak value at this point, but I can't see my main target, Michael Crabtree, being available. Alex Mack would be absolutely perfect for us, but I don't want a center in round one. If I look defensive tackle I want a nose, Peria Jerry and Evander Hook are both three techniques. Malcolm Jenkins and Vontae Davis are both gone by this point. Really, the only players I see as good fits here are two Big12 players in William Moore, the Missouri SS, and Duke Robinson, the Oklahoma OG. Actually, I wouldn't mind a defensive end here either but I don't see upper management giving up on Jamaal Anderson as quickly as I have. Taylor Mays is a good player as well. Despite really wanting to go offense here I don't see a guard going top 15. If Moore is available he will be the pick, but if not I see Mays being that guy.

So the pick is...

Taylor Mays, FS Southern Cal

Despite being hyped up to something he is not, Mays is still a very solid player. He is not Sean Taylor or even LaRon Landry. He is not an in the box safety despite his size. He can hit, but he just isn't that type of safety. He is a centerfielder, and considering how we have had trouble with the deep ball this year he is a fine pick. His size is also a boon to an undersized secondary. I would expect Coleman or DeCoud to play strong safety.


Round 2:

Ok. We have a ton of positions to address, but only so many picks. So you have to look at positions where you can't get role players. I can get pass rushers in the late rounds. I can get interior lineman later. I can get linebackers later. Tight ends are either way. Right now I'm primarily looking wide receiver, right tackle, cornerback, and maybe defensive tackle. Of the players I think will be available, I think Alex Boone (RT), Chase Coffman (TE), and Brandon Tate (WR/ RS) are the ones I like the most. The offensivel line was fine in 2007 and it will only continue to improve. The receiving options probably won't. Not to mention I don't think Boone would come in and contribute the way the other two would. At tight end I like Coffman, and I think we could use a flex option like him. But considering how we use our tight ends, then need to be able to block and we can find an improvement over Ben Hartsock in later rounds.

So the pick is...

Brandon Tate, WR/ RS North Carolina

Tate is a player I am a huge fan of. He is fast, he is a playmaker, and he is on the rise. He isn't tackled easily and is a top punt returner. He has a solid build and although he isn't a huge redzone target like we need he fills other needs. He has the size to be an outside receiver and the return ability is great. I see him doubling with Norwood as the kick returner and starting from day one at punt returner.


Round 3:

I'm still looking at the same positions; TE, RT, CB, and maybe DT. The interior offensive line becomes an option here as well. I really like Shawn Nelson from Southern Miss as a H-Back, but like I said we can get a solid tight end later. Ryan Purvis is a tight end who fits the bill, but maybe not the value. At right tackle, Alex Boone may still be available, but in this mock he is not. Fenuki Tupou from Oregon fits the right tackle mold. At corner, someone who could come in and help day one would be nice but in round three it's not likely. CB is such a huge need but I don't like the value or fit at this point. As far as guard and center, I like Max Unger from Oregon due to his versatility, but some consider him soft. One prospect I really like, and one who I expect to rise, is Andre Caldwell from Alabama. Cedric Dockery from Texas is a nice player as well. I don't like any of the values here, but I have to make a pick.

So the pick is...

Ryan Purvis, TE Boston College

Purvis and Matt Ryan had a great connection in college, and if Purvis is available here I see no reason to pass on him. The receiving ability is there and his size (6'4" 260) is not an issue as it is with some of the other top tight ends.


Round 4:

A lot of the same players I think will still be available. Cornerback, well I still don't like it. I think I'm looking offensive line first and formost. Dockery and Caldwell once again are my top two available players. Dockery has all the tools, actually he may go higher than this. Same with Caldwell. Dockery has torn an ACL, so he could definitely be available at this point and he has superior tools in comparison to Caldwell. But one of them plays a position with more need at this point.

So the pick is...

Antoine Caldwell, OL Alabama

Caldwell almost entered the NFL draft last year. He can play any position on the offensive line, but for us he would likely end up at center. I could see him rising to where he would not be available at this point.


Round 5a:

Cornerback, defensive tackle, defensive end, right tackle, and linebacker are the positions I'm looking at right now. I'm looking roleplayers. Developmental player at RT. Speed at end. Size at DT. Speed at LB. Fit at corner. DT and CB are the top needs now, so I'll look that way.

So the pick is...

Ron Brace, DT Boston College

Brace plays on a defense that has been rock solid against the run for the past two years. He has the size (6'3" 325) Atlanta should be looking for in a player, considering Grady Jackson's age. Defensive tackle is a position I believe you grab early or grab late. There are a few special ones who can do it all, but you can get them as role players later in the draft. Be it Brace or another player, we need to get a big boy to stop the run.


Round 5b:

Same players are in consideration.

So the pick is Mark Parson, CB Ohio

He impressed against Ohio State this year, and he has some tools. Once again, I don't know much about him but we need a cornerback at some point.


Round 6:

Basically the same players and positions are in consideration.

So the pick is...

Phillip Hunt, DE Houston

All I am looking for in a end at this point is pass rush ability. Like defensive tackle, you can type cast defensive ends for their strengths rather than their overall games. Hunt is undersized at 6'2" 260, but he has 4.7 speed and wracked up ten sacks as a junior. Same deal, it may not be Hunt but a pass rusher is needed.


Round 7:

Same deal.

So the pick is...

Corey Smith, OLB Cincinnati

He is undersized (6'1" 225), but like the Colts I think we can get speedy linebackers late to fit our system. We definitely need depth at linebacker.


Summary:
Round 1: Taylor Mays, FS Southern Cal
Round 2: Brandon Tate, WR North Carolina
Round 3: Ryan Purvis, TE Boston College
Round 4: Antoine Caldwell, C Alabama
Round 5: Rob Brace, DT Boston College
Round 5: Mark Parson, CB Ohio
Round 6: Phillip Hunt, DE Houston
Round 7: Corey Smith, OLB Cincinnati

Despite whiffing on two of the teams biggest needs at cornerback and defensive tackle, I would feel great about this draft. Like I said, offense should be the priority and defensive players can be selected to fit the scheme later on. I wouldexpect most of the players to see some sort of role in year one, and while there isn't four or five day one starters here that may be a good thing. Anyways, like I said I think DT and CB could be selected earlier but mainly we need to build on our strengths. I doubt this makes a lot of people happy, but I wouldn't mind at all. Also, I would expect we sign back Brent Grimes after a draft like this.
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DE has to be a higher priority. We are going to have to draft one earlier to generate some kind of rush. If BVG is going to only send 4, we just cannot survive with only 2 of them being able to rush the passer in Abe and Babs.
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DE has to be a higher priority. We are going to have to draft one earlier to generate some kind of rush. If BVG is going to only send 4, we just cannot survive with only 2 of them being able to rush the passer in Abe and Babs.
I agree completely. But I definitely don't see us grabbing one early unless they give up on Anderson like I have.

I would LOVE to have mini John Abraham, AKA George Selvie, in Atlanta. Or Brian Orakpo.
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I agree completely. But I definitely don't see us grabbing one early unless they give up on Anderson like I have.

I would LOVE to have mini John Abraham, AKA George Selvie, in Atlanta. Or Brian Orakpo.

I love both of them. Abe's going to be around for a while, I'd guess. He's got 3 more years after this. After that, I'd be awesome to bring him back as a 3rd down rush specialist. Kind of like KGB. But we'd need another DE, and one of those two would be great. For now, they can just rotate in with Abe and on 3rd downs, we can slide the sackless wonder inside with a competent rush on the outside.
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I just get worried. If Abraham gos down then so does the defense. This defense needs a pass rush.

I like the players I selected, but if Selvie is there I want him. I just doubt management would select him.
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I just get worried. If Abraham gos down then so does the defense. This defense needs a pass rush.

I like the players I selected, but if Selvie is there I want him. I just doubt management would select him.

Sadly, I'd agree. Might be in the same boat with Orakpo. He's playing so well, he might wind up being a first. (I could see us going for a DE in Rnd 2, but not 1.) My boy Crabtree is looking hella good though, and it sure is obvious we need a wideout. Another guy who will probably go too early for us.
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Sadly, I'd agree. Might be in the same boat with Orakpo. He's playing so well, he might wind up being a first. (I could see us going for a DE in Rnd 2, but not 1.) My boy Crabtree is looking hella good though, and it sure is obvious we need a wideout. Another guy who will probably go too early for us.
Yeah, I said that in the mock. I want receiver, but the guy who I would want is Crabtree and I think he will be gone. I like Maclin as well, but I'm not sure I would take him there. He is a weapon, though. Mays isn't a huge playmaker, but I'm sure he could stop other teams from making plays on us. I used to think he was a Sean Taylor type, now I realise he is a centerfielder in a linebackers body.

I would consider Maclin, but probably end up taking Taylor Mays. Crabtree is a great player, though. I wouldn't take him in the top eight or so picks because if we did then we probably wouldn't re-sign Roddy White, but after that I would grab him no question.
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Yeah, I said that in the mock. I want receiver, but the guy who I would want is Crabtree and I think he will be gone. I like Maclin as well, but I'm not sure I would take him there. He is a weapon, though. Mays isn't a huge playmaker, but I'm sure he could stop other teams from making plays on us. I used to think he was a Sean Taylor type, now I realise he is a centerfielder in a linebackers body.

I would consider Maclin, but probably end up taking Taylor Mays. Crabtree is a great player, though. I wouldn't take him in the top eight or so picks because if we did then we probably wouldn't re-sign Roddy White, but after that I would grab him no question.

I like Maclin, but he's a deep guy. Ryan doesn't have a big arm, so I'd much rather take a guy like Crabtree. Someone who's going to run great routes, and pile up YAC.
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Matt has a fine arm. Not amazing, but definitely pro level. That bomb to Roddy was 60 in the air, and hitting that in stride is difficult.

I like Crabtree. Heyward-Bey is great as well, but he is definitely a vertical threat type of guy.
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Matt has a fine arm. Not amazing, but definitely pro level. That bomb to Roddy was 60 in the air, and hitting that in stride is difficult.

I like Crabtree. Heyward-Bey is great as well, but he is definitely a vertical threat type of guy.

His arm is nothing to write home about. He can make the throws, but he's not Carson Palmer. We should rely on the deep ball as something to keep defenses off the run game. I personally love what Ryan does across the middle in between the hashes. I think that's where he's best at, and Crabtree's definately the best guy for that.
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His arm is nothing to write home about. He can make the throws, but he's not Carson Palmer. We should rely on the deep ball as something to keep defenses off the run game. I personally love what Ryan does across the middle in between the hashes. I think that's where he's best at, and Crabtree's definately the best guy for that.
Well, obviously. But he can throw it deep is what I'm saying. It's not like some quarterbacks where they make the offense one dimensional in the passing game.

Also, keep in mind he was under 230. Like Tom Brady, expect him to bulk up and his arm to improve the older he gets. Toonster mentioned this and it makes a lot of sense.
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Well, obviously. But he can throw it deep is what I'm saying. It's not like some quarterbacks where they make the offense one dimensional in the passing game.

Also, keep in mind he was under 230. Like Tom Brady, expect him to bulk up and his arm to improve the older he gets. Toonster mentioned this and it makes a lot of sense.

I don't know about that. At the combine Ryan was 6'5 225. Brady was 6'4 210.
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I don't know about that. At the combine Ryan was 6'5 225. Brady was 6'4 210.
Just look at the frame, though. Ryan is still very, very lanky. He will put on a ton of bulk.

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Didn't read the whole thing, I'm not a big fan of Mays, but I'm starting to believe in his potential, but I'd still rather have William Moore.

And note, we don't have a seventh round draft pick. We traded it away to Denver in exchange for Foxworth.
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Didn't read the whole thing, I'm not a big fan of Mays, but I'm starting to believe in his potential, but I'd still rather have William Moore.

And note, we don't have a seventh round draft pick. We traded it away to Denver in exchange for Foxworth.
Oh, ok.

Mays really is being typecast as Sean Taylor, when he's a centerfielder.

And I like Moore as well, but I think he is gone at that point.
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I really hope Moore isnt gone as he is my favorite prospect for the Falcons. At 15 I really hope he or Crabtree are avaliable and if they are not I will be upset. 15 would be good in the since that we had a good season but just sucks b/c you just have to sit there and hope and sometimes when they fall its amazing. But if they are both gone, its tough to find that guy that we really need. WR, Bey is ok but im not sold on him..no TE's, and Duke Robinson might be a small reach and as of right now our O-line looks solid. Maclin is a great athlete just like Harvin but this offense needs a big guy(Crabs). I hate Mays with a passion, I know you said you only took him b/c hypo. Moore was gone but I cant stand him.

Im gonna go a Diff route and do a small mock that just shows guys I like in certain rounds and hoping some guys fall based on my top needs after Week 4.

Assuming we pick 15...

Round 1) S-William Moore WR- Crabtree DE- Selvie....At 15 these are the 3 I would love but might not be there so here are others that will be OG-Duke Robinson OT- Phil Loadhoaldt(reach) WR- Harvin or Maclin(great players but not the big guy we need) S- Not gonna say it

Round 2) we need 5 picks here... TE- Chase Coffman(love him) DE- Orakpo, Brown (FSU) WR- Lafell, Robiskie OG- Herman Johnson S- Kam Chancellor, Nic Harris CB- Prolly my Fav corner...Macho Harris(i hope he is still around), Mike Mickens DT- Ogobaase, Terrance Tyler

Round 3) C- Max Unger WR- Tate TE- Ryan Purvis DE- Eric Moncur S- Emmanuel Cook, Kevin Ellison


Only 3 rounds but I will do several scenarios and would like feedback on them...

1) William Moore 2) Chase Coffman 3) Max Unger

1) Crabtree 2) Macho Harris 3) Kevin Ellison

1) Moore 2) Orakpo 3) Tate
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Keep in mind our 7th round or possibly 6th round pick is gone. In your scenario it would be round 7 because we didn't resign Foxy.

I like some of your picks...but at this point I haven't seen enough out of Mays to say I want him at 15. I want a Safety desperately, but from all I'm hearing William Moore should be the pick there over the freak athlete who shys away from contact too much for my liking. I also think you're thinking more players will be gone at this point than possibly can be. You have 6 players as gone without considering DE which will likely put out 2 top 10 picks this season, at least 1, QB (depending on underclassmen as many as 4 could go in the top 15, but for safety lets say 3 in the top 15) RB of which there will likely always be 1 taken in the top 15. Basically I'm thinking either Crabtree, Davis, or someone HAS to slip to be there for us if we're picking 15...which I think is a pretty safe bet at this point.

I like your thoughts overall though, nothing flashy really, nothing that'd I'd be cheering about, but I wasn't overly ecstatic with this years draft either...oops

I'd like to pickup a pass rush specialist as well. I'd like that guy to be Everette Brown from FSU...he's looking at round 1 - round 2 at this point. The guy makes Gaines Adams look slow off the snap. Kid is an absolute monster at getting that first step to happen, but he's more than that, he's got 3 pass rush moves already developed and very effective against LTs everywhere. He's always in the backfield wreaking havoc. I think DE is worthy of a 2nd round pick and if he's there which is possible with the plethora of talent that's at the pass rush position this year...boy we could really hit the jackpot.

Myron Rolle likely won't come out this year, but if he does we have to look at him if he continues to play like he did against Miami. He showed up for the first time...it was extremely impressive. He played faster than everyone on the field, he got to his guy, pass break ups, couple nice big hits, finally ran through and wrapped up guys like I've heard about for so long but never seen. I know that's 2 FSU guys, but look at the defensive prospects they put out...and those 2 guys are 2 of the finest.

It's hard to say that FSU players don't produce...Broderick Bunkley, Kamerion Wimbley, Ernie Sims, Antonio Cromartie...and those were all in 1 draft...not that I couldn't go back throughout the years and pull out a plethora more. Again, Rolle may not come out at all this year, and he'd have to play up to this level all the time for me to believe that he'd be worth the pick, but looks like he finally got comfortable in his first full offseason of college football...impressive.
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Keep in mind our 7th round or possibly 6th round pick is gone. In your scenario it would be round 7 because we didn't resign Foxy.

I like some of your picks...but at this point I haven't seen enough out of Mays to say I want him at 15. I want a Safety desperately, but from all I'm hearing William Moore should be the pick there over the freak athlete who shys away from contact too much for my liking. I also think you're thinking more players will be gone at this point than possibly can be. You have 6 players as gone without considering DE which will likely put out 2 top 10 picks this season, at least 1, QB (depending on underclassmen as many as 4 could go in the top 15, but for safety lets say 3 in the top 15) RB of which there will likely always be 1 taken in the top 15. Basically I'm thinking either Crabtree, Davis, or someone HAS to slip to be there for us if we're picking 15...which I think is a pretty safe bet at this point.

I like your thoughts overall though, nothing flashy really, nothing that'd I'd be cheering about, but I wasn't overly ecstatic with this years draft either...oops

I'd like to pickup a pass rush specialist as well. I'd like that guy to be Everette Brown from FSU...he's looking at round 1 - round 2 at this point. The guy makes Gaines Adams look slow off the snap. Kid is an absolute monster at getting that first step to happen, but he's more than that, he's got 3 pass rush moves already developed and very effective against LTs everywhere. He's always in the backfield wreaking havoc. I think DE is worthy of a 2nd round pick and if he's there which is possible with the plethora of talent that's at the pass rush position this year...boy we could really hit the jackpot.

Myron Rolle likely won't come out this year, but if he does we have to look at him if he continues to play like he did against Miami. He showed up for the first time...it was extremely impressive. He played faster than everyone on the field, he got to his guy, pass break ups, couple nice big hits, finally ran through and wrapped up guys like I've heard about for so long but never seen. I know that's 2 FSU guys, but look at the defensive prospects they put out...and those 2 guys are 2 of the finest.

It's hard to say that FSU players don't produce...Broderick Bunkley, Kamerion Wimbley, Ernie Sims, Antonio Cromartie...and those were all in 1 draft...not that I couldn't go back throughout the years and pull out a plethora more. Again, Rolle may not come out at all this year, and he'd have to play up to this level all the time for me to believe that he'd be worth the pick, but looks like he finally got comfortable in his first full offseason of college football...impressive.
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Keep in mind our 7th round or possibly 6th round pick is gone. In your scenario it would be round 7 because we didn't resign Foxy.

I like some of your picks...but at this point I haven't seen enough out of Mays to say I want him at 15. I want a Safety desperately, but from all I'm hearing William Moore should be the pick there over the freak athlete who shys away from contact too much for my liking. I also think you're thinking more players will be gone at this point than possibly can be. You have 6 players as gone without considering DE which will likely put out 2 top 10 picks this season, at least 1, QB (depending on underclassmen as many as 4 could go in the top 15, but for safety lets say 3 in the top 15) RB of which there will likely always be 1 taken in the top 15. Basically I'm thinking either Crabtree, Davis, or someone HAS to slip to be there for us if we're picking 15...which I think is a pretty safe bet at this point.

I like your thoughts overall though, nothing flashy really, nothing that'd I'd be cheering about, but I wasn't overly ecstatic with this years draft either...oops

I'd like to pickup a pass rush specialist as well. I'd like that guy to be Everette Brown from FSU...he's looking at round 1 - round 2 at this point. The guy makes Gaines Adams look slow off the snap. Kid is an absolute monster at getting that first step to happen, but he's more than that, he's got 3 pass rush moves already developed and very effective against LTs everywhere. He's always in the backfield wreaking havoc. I think DE is worthy of a 2nd round pick and if he's there which is possible with the plethora of talent that's at the pass rush position this year...boy we could really hit the jackpot.

Myron Rolle likely won't come out this year, but if he does we have to look at him if he continues to play like he did against Miami. He showed up for the first time...it was extremely impressive. He played faster than everyone on the field, he got to his guy, pass break ups, couple nice big hits, finally ran through and wrapped up guys like I've heard about for so long but never seen. I know that's 2 FSU guys, but look at the defensive prospects they put out...and those 2 guys are 2 of the finest.

It's hard to say that FSU players don't produce...Broderick Bunkley, Kamerion Wimbley, Ernie Sims, Antonio Cromartie...and those were all in 1 draft...not that I couldn't go back throughout the years and pull out a plethora more. Again, Rolle may not come out at all this year, and he'd have to play up to this level all the time for me to believe that he'd be worth the pick, but looks like he finally got comfortable in his first full offseason of college football...impressive.
Players who I think will be gone by 15...

Matt Stafford
George Selvie
Michael Johnson
Michael Oher
Eugene Monroe
Andre Smith
James Laurinitis
Rey Rey Maulagua (spelling)
Michael Crabtree
Malcolm Jenkins
Vontae Davis

So that's 11 (eleven). Others who could be gone by 15 are Moore (who I have being gone in this mock), Aaron Curry, Jeremy Maclin, Sam Bradford if he comes out (I doubt he does), Darius Heyward Bey, Tyson Jackson, Taylor Mays, and Brian Orakpo. But the eleven I listed are guys I think would for sure be gone by pick 15. The only reason I think Moore may be available is because he has had a down season and had an injury.
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Weinkie was a disgusting pickup, he was friggin 40...that wasn't going to work, I could have told you that then and there...PK Sam had return skills but wasn't going to be a stick at the WR spot...now Peter Warrick...well that's unexplainable...

How bout Mr. Sanders? He never did much in the NFL lol. So basically 1 'bust' is all you've come with against FSU and they have what the 2nd most players picked in the first round all time? Yeah...not looking so good for that argument for you at this point.
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Players who I think will be gone by 15...

Matt Stafford
George Selvie
Michael Johnson
Michael Oher
Eugene Monroe
Andre Smith
James Laurinitis
Rey Rey Maulagua (spelling)
Michael Crabtree
Malcolm Jenkins
Vontae Davis

So that's 11 (eleven). Others who could be gone by 15 are Moore (who I have being gone in this mock), Aaron Curry, Jeremy Maclin, Sam Bradford if he comes out (I doubt he does), Darius Heyward Bey, Tyson Jackson, Taylor Mays, and Brian Orakpo. But the eleven I listed are guys I think would for sure be gone by pick 15. The only reason I think Moore may be available is because he has had a down season and had an injury.
I agree with you that those guys will be gone...but there are still many other positions out there who have players drafted high...Brian Cushing will also push for top 15 status. DTs even though they may not be worth it always end up moving their value way up at draft time. At this point in the year it's impossible to mock appropriately anyway, but I see this years draft depth being like the depth of a couple years ago when the top 10 value ran to 15 or 16 as opposed to last year when the draft's elite talent ended at about 5, minus a couple RBs who have value and would have gone higher were it not for injury.

People who aren't officially entered but will be top 15 locks. Chris Wells, Knowshown Moreno. Tim Tebow (who I don't believe will come out either, but if he does he'll be up there) What about Chase Daniel...will he be able to make it in the pros, if so how high will he go? He's gotta have top 15 consideration as well.
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I agree with you that those guys will be gone...but there are still many other positions out there who have players drafted high...Brian Cushing will also push for top 15 status. DTs even though they may not be worth it always end up moving their value way up at draft time. At this point in the year it's impossible to mock appropriately anyway, but I see this years draft depth being like the depth of a couple years ago when the top 10 value ran to 15 or 16 as opposed to last year when the draft's elite talent ended at about 5, minus a couple RBs who have value and would have gone higher were it not for injury.

People who aren't officially entered but will be top 15 locks. Chris Wells, Knowshown Moreno. Tim Tebow (who I don't believe will come out either, but if he does he'll be up there) What about Chase Daniel...will he be able to make it in the pros, if so how high will he go? He's gotta have top 15 consideration as well.
Daniel won't be a first rounder.

Chris Wells I forgot to mention. Knowshon is probably right in that top 15 area.

Also, I think the talent runs deeper because this year there really aren't but a few elite prosects. Offensive tackles have three of the elite, Stafford may be elite at some point. Wells is borderline, hes great but I don't know about elite. Same with Crabtree.

Let me put it this way, I would take last years top 5 (Jake Long, Chris Long, Glenn Dorsey, Darren McFadden, Matt Ryan) over this years top 5(Oher, Monroe, Andre Smith, Stafford, Wells).
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Daniel won't be a first rounder.

Chris Wells I forgot to mention. Knowshon is probably right in that top 15 area.

Also, I think the talent runs deeper because this year there really aren't but a few elite prosects. Offensive tackles have three of the elite, Stafford may be elite at some point. Wells is borderline, hes great but I don't know about elite. Same with Crabtree.

Let me put it this way, I would take last years top 5 (Jake Long, Chris Long, Glenn Dorsey, Darren McFadden, Matt Ryan) over this years top 5(Oher, Monroe, Andre Smith, Stafford, Wells).
I can't say I'd disagree with that...but you also have about 5 more players this year that could end up being top 5 guys. I mean Crabtree and Maclin...those guys are ballers, something we haven't seen for a couple years at the WR position in the draft. Wells > McFadden imo, but yeah, Oher > Long, hard to compare anyone to Dorsey or C. Long this year. I'd love to be able to pickup one of the big monsters for our RT, I don't want another LT, we have ours!

I'd take this year's depth > last years no question. Looking at it last year vs this year, I'd say that Chris Long was overrated and so was Matt Ryan (man was I wrong) But the top 5 this year I would say no one is overrated, so I'd have picked this year's top 5.

You really don't think that he's going to have a shot at the first round? It's hard to tell, I know his arm isn't all that impressive, but its going to be hard to convince some coach somewhere that he can't get it done for them just like he has in college...at least I think. But then again you don't see many QBs go in the mid-late first round because most of those teams have good QB play to get them to that level.
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I can't say I'd disagree with that...but you also have about 5 more players this year that could end up being top 5 guys. I mean Crabtree and Maclin...those guys are ballers, something we haven't seen for a couple years at the WR position in the draft. Wells > McFadden imo, but yeah, Oher > Long, hard to compare anyone to Dorsey or C. Long this year. I'd love to be able to pickup one of the big monsters for our RT, I don't want another LT, we have ours!

I'd take this year's depth > last years no question. Looking at it last year vs this year, I'd say that Chris Long was overrated and so was Matt Ryan (man was I wrong) But the top 5 this year I would say no one is overrated, so I'd have picked this year's top 5.

You really don't think that he's going to have a shot at the first round? It's hard to tell, I know his arm isn't all that impressive, but its going to be hard to convince some coach somewhere that he can't get it done for them just like he has in college...at least I think. But then again you don't see many QBs go in the mid-late first round because most of those teams have good QB play to get them to that level.
I agree on the depth part. But the top five last year seems to be much better. Dorsey was the best prospect out of the two years, followed by Oher or Long. And I'll take Ryan over Stafford, McFadden over Wells, Jenkins/ Vontae Davis over any CB last year, Long over Johnson and maybe Selvie although I'm a huge Selvie fan.

This year edge on some positions like OT, OG, WR, and CB at the top though.

A lot of people don't think he will go in the first three rounds. I like him in round two, he reminds me of Drew Brees, or maybe Marc Bulger.

But yeah, he has almost no chance at round one. Then again, it is a weak QB class. I'd say round 2, maybe three.
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Weinkie was a disgusting pickup, he was friggin 40...that wasn't going to work, I could have told you that then and there...PK Sam had return skills but wasn't going to be a stick at the WR spot...now Peter Warrick...well that's unexplainable...

How bout Mr. Sanders? He never did much in the NFL lol. So basically 1 'bust' is all you've come with against FSU and they have what the 2nd most players picked in the first round all time? Yeah...not looking so good for that argument for you at this point.
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