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Old 10-08-2008, 08:28 PM    (permalink
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you mean in terms of run stuffing?
Yup. I had my scouting mentor break it down for me. They, most of the time, have their down linemen slant into a gap and if that can be diagnosed before a play by a QB, they are screwed because of their momentum. Blockers just take them where they want to go and the RB knows exactly where the opportunity is going to be.
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Well, honestly, this year ive been very disappointed with our pass rush. It isn't nearly as good as last year. However, we've made up for it with much improved pass coverage.

They don't create turnovers, but they do a great job covering. Id put our secondary vs theirs quite honestly. I think Webster is playing on an elite level, and Ross is just as good if not better than Henry/Jones/Jenkins.

And if/when Terrell Thomas gets healthy, I pit him against their nickel CB as well. Phillips is doing great, the only duck is James Butler. But he can't be any worse than Roy Williams or Keith Davis/Pat Watkins.
Really? Wow. I've loved the Giants pass rush, very disruptive. But we can discuss this another time before someone cries foul about talking about the Giants in this thread.
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Really? Wow. I've loved the Giants pass rush, very disruptive. But we can discuss this another time before someone cries foul about talking about the Giants in this thread.
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Yup. I had my scouting mentor break it down for me. They, most of the time, have their down linemen slant into a gap and if that can be diagnosed before a play by a QB, they are screwed because of their momentum. Blockers just take them where they want to go and the RB knows exactly where the opportunity is going to be.
thats interesting. didn't know that.
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I'm so happy someone actually gave us a draft pick for this ass hole. Lavelle Hawkins baby!
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What a F*** up, some people just don't get it. At least this time it wasn't in a strip club. Maybe when he gets all loaded is when he starts to do stupid s***
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At least that adds a 5th to us this up coming year from the Titans if he has to miss any time, so either way they are still the ones shafted in the deal, they have to pay for his screw ups, not us.
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Old 10-08-2008, 09:23 PM    (permalink
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At least that adds a 5th to us this up coming year from the Titans if he has to miss any time, so either way they are still the ones shafted in the deal, they have to pay for his screw ups, not us.
But you still lose a good player, even though it doesn't hurt the cowboys that much because their very deep at CB
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But you still lose a good player, even though it doesn't hurt the cowboys that much because their very deep at CB
Of course, and losing any good player would suck, but at least we would get something in return at their expense...Will hurt even worse with Newman having a sports hernia possibly, but if he wants to screw his life up you just have to move on, not gonna speculate what will or won't happen to him but it was still a good risk to take on him, especially since we had "insurance" in case something like this happened.
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Does he get suspended? Roger Goodell is probably just a bit angry.
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Of course, and losing any good player would suck, but at least we would get something in return at their expense...Will hurt even worse with Newman having a sports hernia possibly, but if he wants to screw his life up you just have to move on, not gonna speculate what will or won't happen to him but it was still a good risk to take on him, especially since we had "insurance" in case something like this happened.
You're not gaining anything by pacman getting in trouble. You alreay paid a 4th to get him so it was like us trading a 4th rounder for a 5th rounder. We still come out on top.
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You're not gaining anything by pacman getting in trouble. You alreay paid a 4th to get him so it was like us trading a 4th rounder for a 5th rounder. We still come out on top.
Dallas is still not out a draft pick, they just get a draft pick of lesser value
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Hmmmm I remember in a previous thread someone trying to convine everyone Pacman had changed. While this incident isnt as bad, I said give Pacman time he will **** up again.
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Goodell did say that he would punish teams that take players with character problems. I wouldn't be surprised if charges were filed that the Cowboys could lose a mid-round draft pick.
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Even though we're deep, this hurts more than everyone on here seems to think.

The whole idea with having all these corners was that we were able to use some exotic coverages that now went out the window.

For example, we had been playing Pacman and Jenkins on the outside with newman in the slot and Henry covering the tight end while sometimes coming on a blitz.

Since Newman has been out, scandrick has taken over his slot role but Henry was still able to cover the TE.

I've even seen a package (maybe only 1 or 2 times all year) That had Newman, Henry, Pac, Jenkins, Scandrick, and Hamlin all on the field at once. I would assume if everyone was at 100% health we would see it more.

Newman is probably out 6 weeks with a sports hernia and if pacman gets suspended we go back to vanilla ********.

Basically we're facing the possibility of Henry and Jenkins on the outside with Scandrick in the slot. This means even bigger cushions than we've seen so far and more teams dinking and dunking their way down field on us at ease.

This can be a huge loss at this point. With the average pass rush and all of our pressure players coming down with I-cant-bring-down-the-qb-when-he's-in-my-hands-itis -- we could be shat on.

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I didn't say they were out of a draft pick. We were getting rid of Pacman no matter what, if we had to trade or cut him so we basically traded a 4th round pick for supposedly this 5th rounder we have to give them. I was only correcting the first poster about how he made it sound like Tennessee was the one that had to pay the price.
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I didn't say they were out of a draft pick. We were getting rid of Pacman no matter what, if we had to trade or cut him so we basically traded a 4th round pick for supposedly this 5th rounder we have to give them. I was only correcting the first poster about how he made it sound like Tennessee was the one that had to pay the price.
My point is that we spent a 4th to get him, if he screws up we get a 5th this upcoming draft, who wouldn't take that deal? Yes we lose a round, but getting a 5th from Tenn for him screwing up on our team is still a steal, it's not like we spent a 4th and if he screws up we wasted a pick outright.
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My point is that we spent a 4th to get him, if he screws up we get a 5th this upcoming draft, who wouldn't take that deal? Yes we lose a round, but getting a 5th from Tenn for him screwing up on our team is still a steal, it's not like we spent a 4th and if he screws up we wasted a pick outright.
I'm just saying. You made it sound as if it was a lose, lose situation for the Titans. We got rid of Pacman and got a 4th too. If we have to give back a 5th, so be it...
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This is nothing, people.

Obviously its not a good indication that he has truly "changed",.or what may you, but he certainly isn't going to be punished for getting into a little scuffle with his own bodyguard (at least that's how I've heard it reported).

More than likely, this will give Deion and Michael something to drive the message home with. This wasn't a brush with the law, no charges are being made, no law enforcement was involved, no strippers were involved and no drugs were involved.

Pacman is a dumbass, always has been, but this certainly can't be classified as a relapse into his previous ways.

All that said, is it a good sign? Definitely not.
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A source close to Jones says the incident is being overblown, and that if there was a serious confrontation involving Jones causing police to be called to the scene surely an incident report would have been filed by the police department.



The Dallas Police Department said it needs a complainant to file an offense if an offense had occurred, but evidently after interviewing those involved in the incident there were no charges filed that would have led to an offense report. Evidently this is not the first time Jones has had differences with his body guard, who is charged with making sure Jones doesn’t go places he shouldn’t and keeping him out of confrontations with other people.



The NFL has had no comment on the report, but Jones’ timing was bad since NFL commissioner Roger Goodell was in town on Wednesday and even spoke to the entire Cowboys team following their afternoon practice.



Goodell did answer a question about Jones before news of the Tuesday night incident was reported, saying, “Adam knows how much emphasis I put on making good choices as he goes forward, that he avoids situations where he can reflect poorly on himself or the Cowboys or the NFL.”
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From the cowboys official site blog. Follow the link for the whole article. No big deal, though its interesting to hear that he has a body guard who is basically a baby sitter, :D.
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"Someone from the business called police," Dallas police spokesman Cpl. Jerry Monreal told The Associated Press. "Police arrived and spoke to the parties after they had a verbal argument. Both parties agreed to leave, and they left."


So now the police are calling it a verbal argument.

Definitely not a good sign in terms of his longevity with the team, but sounds like this should be nothing.

Maybe a case of someone from the hotel looking for their 5 seconds of fame?
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Pacman was probably provoked by someone who wanted to brag they had a biffo with an NFL player, that being said, with his history he needs to keep his ass out of the clubs.

Hell, he's got millions, just have a big ass house party if you need to make it rain so bad, strippers can be available for private parties.
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Doesnt matter if charges were filed. If Goodell think he did wrong, then he's going to get in trouble.
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damn. i think it's time the NFL just had him euthanized.
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