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Old 10-17-2008, 12:30 PM    (permalink
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just did my voting.

QB - Rivers, Favre, Cutler
QB - A. Rodgers, Brees, Campbell

RB - LT, Chris Johnson, Ronnie Brown
RB - Portis, Turner, A Pete

WR - Marshall, A. Johnson, Wayne, Housh
WR - Fitz, Jennings, Roddy, Santana

FB - McClain
FB - Sellers

TE - Gates, Daniels
TE - Witten, Cooley

*Skepped O Line this time.

DE - Mario, Mathis, Ellis
DE - Abraham, Kampman, Peppers

DT - Haynesworth, Henderson, Stroud
DT - K. Williams, Dockett, P. Williams

OLB - Harrison, DJ Williams, Phillips
OLB - Sims, Briggs, McIntosh

ILB - Demeco, Peterson
ILB - Vilma, Fletcher

CB - Finnegan, Cro, Asomugha
CB - Woodson, Gambell, Rogers

SS - Harrison
SS - Horton

FS - Reed
FS - Landry

K - Prater
K - Elam

P - Colquitt
P - Jones

KR - Sproles
KR - Rossum
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Why do people like to vote so early? It's just way too soon for me, the guys who start fast end up getting so many votes and the guys who come on late(Mario Williams last year) end up getting screwed.


It's going to be a year where alot of young new talent emerges as pro bowlers and will make the game fun to watch...Greg Jennings and Roddy White could represent the NFC at WR, Chris Johnson is looking like he may make it, alot of new guys.


I just hope Barber goes, he's been doing well this year with the workload he's been given.
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I am not a Brandon Jacobs fan but for having only 79 carries as of now, and avging 5.7 yards per carry, that has to be pro bowl worthy. He will never be there in terms of yards because he is only is avging 15.8 carries per game. But roughly 200 yards back from the pace of leading the league, and having 57 less carries is still pretty good. I don't think it's a stretch to say he could be pro bowl worthy.
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I think its a stretch in a conference with Adrian Peterson, Clinton Portis, and Michael Turner, and Frank Gore
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I think its a stretch in a conference with Adrian Peterson, Clinton Portis, and Michael Turner, and Frank Gore
I don't think so. I mean look at those guys you mentioned except for Gore. They lead the league in carries 1.2. & 3. Granted Portis and Peterson have great stats, but I don't see why Jacobs can't get in.

79 carries 447 yds. 5.7 avg 5 20+ runs 1 40 + run and ZERO fumbles.


That's not bad at all considering all the guys you mentioned except for Gore have. 136, 129, and 128 carries. Even Gore has a 107 carries, 26 more than Jacobs, and only has 77 yards more! Like I said it's not as cut and dry as people make it out. If Jacobs had equal carries as the guys above, with our offensive line, he'd probably be up there, but I am just saying due to lack of carries compared to the others, one could make a case he is pro bowl worthy for the amount of carries he has. I am saying this as a Giants fan who is not a Jacobs fan, but gotta give him props for having a great year so far, with only 79 carries.
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i dont think its out of the question for jacobs to make it. same goes for barber. there are a lot more games to play. of the top 6 rbs in the nfc, portis, apete, turner, gore, jaocbs, and barber. i think any of the 3 could end up there come season end. bush could potentially get in that mix too.
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i dont think its out of the question for jacobs to make it. same goes for barber. there are a lot more games to play. of the top 6 rbs in the nfc, portis, apete, turner, gore, jaocbs, and barber. i think any of the 3 could end up there come season end. bush could potentially get in that mix too.
I think that Barber has a great chance, not only has Barber been playing well this year. He plays for the Cowboys, still the most popular team in the NFL and cowboys fans always vote their guys to the pro bowl.
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I think that Barber has a great chance, not only has Barber been playing well this year. He plays for the Cowboys, still the most popular team in the NFL and cowboys fans always vote their guys to the pro bowl.
That's the sad part. I think Jacobs had better all around stats, and I don't think he deserves to make it. Avging 4.0 yards isn't really pro bowl worthy when compared to guys like Turner, Portis, Peterson and Jacobs. All have lot more 20 + yard runs, more 40 plus, and better avg. But I agree on one thing, just because he plays for Dallas he will get voted in.
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Don't underestimate Cowboys voters, Barber probably will make the pro bowl. Barber last year made the pro bowl and didn't even rush for a thousand and shared carries with Julius Jones. He made the pro bowl over Portis, even though Portis had more receiving yards, over 300 more rushing yards, 11 rushing TD's which was more than Barber, and Portis led his team to the playoffs, a team with little offensive weapons at all.
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just did my voting.

QB - Rivers, Favre, Cutler
QB - A. Rodgers, Brees, Campbell

RB - LT, Chris Johnson, Ronnie Brown
RB - Portis, Turner, A Pete

WR - Marshall, A. Johnson, Wayne, Housh
WR - Fitz, Jennings, Roddy, Santana

FB - McClain
FB - Sellers

TE - Gates, Daniels
TE - Witten, Cooley

*Skepped O Line this time.

DE - Mario, Mathis, Ellis
DE - Abraham, Kampman, Peppers

DT - Haynesworth, Henderson, Stroud
DT - K. Williams, Dockett, P. Williams

OLB - Harrison, DJ Williams, Phillips
OLB - Sims, Briggs, McIntosh

ILB - Demeco, Peterson
ILB - Vilma, Fletcher

CB - Finnegan, Cro, Asomugha
CB - Woodson, Gambell, Rogers

SS - Harrison
SS - Horton

FS - Reed
FS - Landry

K - Prater
K - Elam

P - Colquitt
P - Jones

KR - Sproles
KR - Rossum
Anyone who votes Ronnie in is ok in my book! :)

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That's the sad part. I think Jacobs had better all around stats, and I don't think he deserves to make it. Avging 4.0 yards isn't really pro bowl worthy when compared to guys like Turner, Portis, Peterson and Jacobs. All have lot more 20 + yard runs, more 40 plus, and better avg. But I agree on one thing, just because he plays for Dallas he will get voted in.
Are you serious? Come on man, enough of the "Cowboys players get in just because its not fair" crap, Barber and Jacobs have nearly identical rushing stats, all the while Barber has 25 receptions, 234 receiving yards, and 2 receiving TD's, just to break down their rushing stats:

Brandon Jacobs: 447 rushing yds, 4 TD's
Marion Barber: 440 rushing yds, 4 TD's


Lets count total numbers:

Brandon Jacobs: 446 Total yards, 3 receptions, 4 TD's
Marion Barber: 674 Total yards, 25 receptions, 6 TD's



So Jacobs has all-around better stays as you say? Your right, its so so sad that Cowboy players only get voted in because their fans just go flood the polls I'm not speaking on behalf of all players, but you have no gripes if Barber gets more votes then Jacobs does.
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Also Barber is 2nd in the league in big play rushes. Not sure why you said he's got way less 20+ yard runs than everyone

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Over Greenway... How about over Ware?
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Are you serious? Come on man, enough of the "Cowboys players get in just because its not fair" crap, Barber and Jacobs have nearly identical rushing stats, all the while Barber has 25 receptions, 234 receiving yards, and 2 receiving TD's, just to break down their rushing stats:

Brandon Jacobs: 447 rushing yds, 4 TD's
Marion Barber: 440 rushing yds, 4 TD's


Lets count total numbers:

Brandon Jacobs: 446 Total yards, 3 receptions, 4 TD's
Marion Barber: 674 Total yards, 25 receptions, 6 TD's



So Jacobs has all-around better stays as you say? Your right, its so so sad that Cowboy players only get voted in because their fans just go flood the polls I'm not speaking on behalf of all players, but you have no gripes if Barber gets more votes then Jacobs does.
You are very, very naive if you think cowboys players don't get voted in because you guys are the cowboys. That's not hard to figure out. As for Jacobs, their rushing stats are identical but compare the rushing attempts and yards per carry. Barber blows for the amount of carries he is getting. 4.0 yards per carry isn't quite pro bowl worthy. Check the avg of the other backs like Turner, Portis and Peterson. They have a LARGE # of rushing attempts as well, but have a good rushing avg too.

As far as reception yards, we don't throw the ball to Jacobs as much. In fact that's not really part of our game. So Jacobs or the other backs aren't going to get thrown the ball alot. And when we do we spread the ball around to Jacobs, Ward, Bradshaw and the FB M.H.

You have to be out of your skull to think barber is pro bowl worthy this season. But don't worry he will get in. I would bet he gets in just because you're fan base will make sure of that.
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Hopefully it was noted that Barber has played one more game than Jacobs has. Cowboys haven't had their bye week yet.
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Even though Jacobs is doing a great job, people will overlook his number of carries probably.

Man. I hope Roddy White can make the pro bowl. I would love for that to happen.
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You are very, very naive if you think cowboys players don't get voted in because you guys are the cowboys. That's not hard to figure out. As for Jacobs, their rushing stats are identical but compare the rushing attempts and yards per carry. Barber blows for the amount of carries he is getting. 4.0 yards per carry isn't quite pro bowl worthy. Check the avg of the other backs like Turner, Portis and Peterson. They have a LARGE # of rushing attempts as well, but have a good rushing avg too.

As far as reception yards, we don't throw the ball to Jacobs as much. In fact that's not really part of our game. So Jacobs or the other backs aren't going to get thrown the ball alot. And when we do we spread the ball around to Jacobs, Ward, Bradshaw and the FB M.H.

You have to be out of your skull to think barber is pro bowl worthy this season. But don't worry he will get in. I would bet he gets in just because you're fan base will make sure of that.
First off I never denied Cowboys players getting voted in just because, I never argued that point, I directly quoted you as saying "Jacob has better all around stats" now you want to argue how you don't throw to your Rb's thats why they don't have receptions, ok? Finally, I never not once said Barber was pro bowl worthy so lets not assume, I just said he is worthy of getting more votes then Jacobs up to this point, when did I say he deserved to go over Portis, AD, Turner etc?


You can keep using the Cowboy cop out if you want to, it's a lazy argument that people like to use when they don't have anything solid to go off of...Facts are you said Jacobs had better all around stats then Barber, that in itself has nothing to do with the rest of the NFC backs.
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If Aso doesnt get into the pro bowl this year Im going to be pissed
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Old 10-19-2008, 02:04 AM    (permalink
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just did my voting.

QB - Rivers, Favre, Cutler
QB - A. Rodgers, Brees, Campbell

RB - LT, Chris Johnson, Ronnie Brown
RB - Portis, Turner, A Pete

WR - Marshall, A. Johnson, Wayne, Housh
WR - Fitz, Jennings, Roddy, Santana

FB - McClain
FB - Sellers

TE - Gates, Daniels
TE - Witten, Cooley

*Skepped O Line this time.

DE - Mario, Mathis, Ellis
DE - Abraham, Kampman, Peppers

DT - Haynesworth, Henderson, Stroud
DT - K. Williams, Dockett, P. Williams

OLB - Harrison, DJ Williams, Phillips
OLB - Sims, Briggs, McIntosh

ILB - Demeco, Peterson
ILB - Vilma, Fletcher

CB - Finnegan, Cro, Asomugha
CB - Woodson, Gambell, Rogers

SS - Harrison
SS - Horton

FS - Reed
FS - Landry

K - Prater
K - Elam

P - Colquitt
P - Jones

KR - Sproles
KR - Rossum

Anyone who doesn't vote for Antoine Winfield is dead to me. He's been so beastly this year.
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Greg Jones: Close to a lock. He's been the best fullback, not just in the AFC but in the entire NFL so far.

Rashean Mathis: A lot of talent at corner in the AFC, but he's close to is All-Pro form again and already has two interceptions for touchdowns.

Josh Scobee: Not sure if he'll make it, but he darn well deserves it. Most valuable kicker in the NFL so far this year

After that, it gets spotty. Brian Witherspoon might have had a spot--- he's played lights out as a returner--- but the NFL was stupid and he's not even on the ballet for reasons beyond my understanding. Maurice Drew could make if if he has a strong finish, and no reason why he won't.
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Steelers:
QB - Ben could make it as the #3 QB, but may get beaten out by Peyton because of fame.
RB - Willie could make it if he comes back strong after injury.
TE - Heath Miller should make it, but definitely won't.
DL - Aaron Smith should make it, may not though based on name recognition.
LB - Harrison and Woodley should be locks.
S - Troy Polamalu will make it because of name recognition and solid play thus far.
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If Roddy White doesn't make it I will go postal.
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The statistics are there, but I don't know if he gets enough publicity. Most Falcons related positive news seems to focus more on Matt Ryan than anything else.
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Unfortunately you may be right. By merit he and Greg Jennings have been the best in the NFC, but the old names may sneak in purely on name value.
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