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Old 10-14-2008, 02:35 PM    (permalink
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While I hate how the league has gotten and how inconsistent they are with punishment, the only reason why Pacman got back in the league was because he basically had an agreement that he could stay as long as Rodge didn't ever hear his name again. The guy just doesn't get it. I think his career is hopeless. With the amount of second chances he's gotten, I can't say I feel bad for him.
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While I hate how the league has gotten and how inconsistent they are with punishment, the only reason why Pacman got back in the league was because he basically had an agreement that he could stay as long as Rodge didn't ever hear his name again. The guy just doesn't get it. I think his career is hopeless. With the amount of second chances he's gotten, I can't say I feel bad for him.
Yeah, I understand both sides. Either way, the guy just can't stay out of trouble, and whether or not this incident was that severe, he should have known better by now.
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While I hate how the league has gotten and how inconsistent they are with punishment, the only reason why Pacman got back in the league was because he basically had an agreement that he could stay as long as Rodge didn't ever hear his name again. The guy just doesn't get it. I think his career is hopeless. With the amount of second chances he's gotten, I can't say I feel bad for him.
It's a shoving match with a body guard, not exactly a DUI. Has Jones even been convicted of one thing yet? The NFL's policy is mind boggingly ridiculous and this suspension is one of the worst yet (Thurman for a full year last year for no reason is the worst).
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It's a shoving match with a body guard, not exactly a DUI. Has Jones even been convicted of one thing yet? The NFL's policy is mind bogglingly ridiculous and this suspension is one of the worst yet (Thurman for a full year last year for no reason is the worst).
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While this is clearly a PR move by Goodell, I can't say that I feel sorry for Pacman (I think we can go back to calling him that now). If he didn't "get it" before, he should now. IF WE EVER HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT YOU EXCEPT SAVING KITTENS STUCK IN TREES AND HELPING OLD LADIES ACROSS THE STREET, YOUR ASS IS GONE.

That is what Goodell told him before the year started, and he still thought it was ok to go to a Nelly concert and get up on stage, or go out and enjoy the nightlife in the metroplex. STAY THE **** HOME, DUMBASS. He didn't get it before. Who knows if he will now. But this is merely a product of his own stupidity.


As for our CB situation, I'm not too worried. If we had gone into the year with Henry/Jenkins/Scandrick as our 3 best CBs, we would still be in the upper half of the league, so I'm not concerned. Scandrick has been a roaring success, and Jenkins has certainly lived up to expectations so far. He had a TD saving pass deflection against Philly that displayed excellent athleticism and ball skills. I can't see us being any worse than the mediocrity we've shown so far, so this isn't that big a deal to me. It will be good to see Jenkins get more burn.
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******* nightmare your management put itself in position for. Who didn't see something like this coming? Kick his dumb ass out already. How many chances should he get?

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Matt Jones?

Damn you Pacman.. if only you were snorting Cocaine in your car!
That's irrelevant, Wasn't he a first time offender? This is what, nearly Pac mans 10th instance now?

People say this league is ridiculous, it's the same thing our judicial system does. Repeat offenders get screwed, and they deserve to. Bring the silver hammer Goody.
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******* nightmare your management put itself in position for. Who didn't see something like this coming? Kick his dumb ass out already. How many chances should he get?
I was mostly commenting on the recent rash of injuries and overall bad luck. A when it rains, it pours situation
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I was mostly commenting on the recent rash of injuries and overall bad luck. A when it rains, it pours situation
Fair enough, feel the pain with the Packers, Seahawks, ect. You're certianly not alone. Perhaps more serious, but not alone.
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That's irrelevant, Wasn't he a first time offender? This is what, nearly Pac mans 10th instance now?

People say this league is ridiculous, it's the same thing our judicial system does. Repeat offenders get screwed, and they deserve to. Bring the silver hammer Goody.
So a guy never convicted for anything, but based on appearances only can be suspended like crazy...

But a guy that had to plead out his case to get into Rehab... Admitting guilt and being Convicted...

Doesn't even get a 1 game suspension?

I'm not advocating for Pacman.. he's a moron.. I'm just saying there is 0 consistency.. Sure Case to Case.. fine, but you have to let every first offender go if you don't think Cocaine on a first offense (Let alone being actually convicted) is a big deal.

In that case .... Thurman shouldn't have been suspended a year for a DUI, because he only should be guilty of the missed drug test (Or the other way around).

Darryl Blackstock and Shawne Merriman shouldn't have been Suspended for Steroids.. first offense.

Jared Allen should've missed only 1-2 games because 1 DUI would've been his "First offense"

with a first offense leniency policy, you open the can of worms..

Should have the same Black and white policy for everyone.
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Hmm...dunno what I think about this one.

For those talking about Matt Jones, a) he may be suspended in the future and it just hasn't happened yet b) potentially injuring/killing a person whilst drunk >>>>>>>>>>>>> snorting coke
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Hmm...dunno what I think about this one.

For those talking about Matt Jones, a) he may be suspended in the future and it just hasn't happened yet b) potentially injuring/killing a person whilst drunk >>>>>>>>>>>>> snorting coke
No doubt...

but here's the confusion.


1 DUI = 1 year suspension
2 DUI = 4 Game suspension.

Not to mention Jones was in his car while snorting... Which in most cases of having alcohol open while sitting in a vehicle.. usually ends up as intent to drive while impaired.
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So a guy never convicted for anything, but based on appearances only can be suspended like crazy...

But a guy that had to plead out his case to get into Rehab... Admitting guilt and being Convicted...

Doesn't even get a 1 game suspension?

I'm not advocating for Pacman.. he's a moron.. I'm just saying there is 0 consistency.. Sure Case to Case.. fine, but you have to let every first offender go if you don't think Cocaine on a first offense (Let alone being actually convicted) is a big deal.
There is consistency. How many first time offenders do you see get the hammer? Johnny Jolly hasn't so far for the Packers, neither did nick Barnett. It's all about the leash Goody applies, Jones had a 2 footer, with a choke collar and a electric zapper, and he knew it. How stupid can he be? Well, this stupid apparently.
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The suspension isn't unorthodox or unfair. Face it, Adam, Pacman, whatever is a recidivist and a two bit thug who happens to be able to read a playbook. There's a reason he's playing for Dallas... no one else would want him...

He's already been suspended for a year and his reinstatement was on the provision he didn't act like a criminal. He did, if I was goodell I would've given him the rest of the year off.
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The suspension isn't unorthodox or unfair. Face it, Adam, Pacman, whatever is a recidivist and a two bit thug who happens to be able to read a playbook. There's a reason he's playing for Dallas... no one else would want him...

He's already been suspended for a year and his reinstatement was on the provision he didn't act like a criminal. He did, if I was goodell I would've given him the rest of the year off.
He has yet to be convicted of anything yet. He is a victim of the 24 hour news cycle.
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He has yet to be convicted of anything yet. He is a victim of the 24 hour news cycle.
God damnit, when will people learn this isn't the big bad evil Goodell trying to attack one man.

Pacman Jones in his time has been accused and or charged and convicted of the following:
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  • Violating conditions of his parole
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  • Assault
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  • Misdemeanor assault
  • Obstruction of justice
  • possession of marijuana
  • Driving under the influence
  • Assault
In addition to these charges one of the men witness say he was conferring with shot and paralyzed a former pro-wrestler and fired upon a security guard.



While you may not think him legally guilty and a jury of his peers may not have convicted him either, that doesn't have any affect on his relationship with the NFL.

The NFL's policy is a player conduct policy. Whether or not he commits a crime if he's in a drunken scuffle outside a nightclub, he's found to be breaking that policy, a provision of his re-reinstatement and thus deserves the suspension.

He hangs around with violent people, he hangs around with drug dealers and has been identified in an investigation speaking to a drug dealer over the phone, failing that on 5 separate occasions in 3 cities he's been accused of spitting on and hitting women. He's not some poor downtrodden man being beaten down by the evil commissioner, he's a scum bag.
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God damnit, when will people learn this isn't the big bad evil Goodell trying to attack one man.

Pacman Jones in his time has been accused and or charged and convicted of the following:
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  • possession of marijuana
  • Driving under the influence
  • Assault
In addition to these charges one of the men witness say he was conferring with shot and paralyzed a former pro-wrestler and fired upon a security guard.



While you may not think him legally guilty and a jury of his peers may not have convicted him either, that doesn't have any affect on his relationship with the NFL.

The NFL's policy is a player conduct policy. Whether or not he commits a crime if he's in a drunken scuffle outside a nightclub, he's found to be breaking that policy, a provision of his re-reinstatement and thus deserves the suspension.

He hangs around with violent people, he hangs around with drug dealers and has been identified in an investigation speaking to a drug dealer over the phone, failing that on 5 separate occasions in 3 cities he's been accused of spitting on and hitting women. He's not some poor downtrodden man being beaten down by the evil commissioner, he's a scum bag.
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Henry/Jenkins/Scandrick

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Henry/Reeves/Nate Jones

that is what we were rocking last year. ugh.
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I think he was just making a generalized Statement about how the league has made a huge "Image" Change in the last 10 or so years.

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Henry/Jenkins/Scandrick

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Henry/Reeves/Nate Jones

that is what we were rocking last year. ugh.
Two Rookies make it iffy though, although Jenkins has played really well from what I've seen.
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Two Rookies make it iffy though, although Jenkins has played really well from what I've seen.
If you're comparing the two...this current corner trio is head and shoulders above the one with Henry/Reeves/Jones...Reeves and Jones are ST players at best, they're horrible. The fact that Reeves got that enormous deal is the most absurd thing I saw all off-season...and the Texans are paying for it, in more ways than one. The guy is fast, that's it. Nate on the other hand should just be happy that he is still in the league. Even as rookies, Jenkins and Scandrick are so much better and it's really not close.

Obviously, it's not ideal but, still better than last year when Newman went down to injury.
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If you're comparing the two...this current corner trio is head and shoulders above the one with Henry/Reeves/Jones...Reeves and Jones are ST players at best, they're horrible. The fact that Reeves got that enormous deal is the most absurd thing I saw all off-season...and the Texans are paying for it, in more ways than one. The guy is fast, that's it. Nate on the other hand should just be happy that he is still in the league. Even as rookies, Jenkins and Scandrick are so much better and it's really not close.
I never said that Henny/ Reeves/ Jones were better all I said was that with two rookies playing it make things more difficult for Dallas. The rookies are better than the afore mentioned group but like all rookies they're going to make mistakes and CB is a position that when you make a mistake often times that mistake costs your team 6 points.
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