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Old 10-14-2008, 07:59 PM    (permalink
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Default Eli Manning: 74.8 rating in 60 starts, Tim Couch: 75.1 rating in 59 starts

I was just looking up some players and thought this was very interesting. Does anyone else think Tim Couch got a raw deal playing under an awful regime with a miserable supporting cast? I mean, the guy had no receivers, line, or running game. I dunno. I mean, obviously Eli Manning has been more successful so far, but that's a very interesting statistical similarity, and I thought I'd bring it up.
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Eli sucks the fatty against good defenses. Couch > Manning

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Well up until the end of last season and the playoffs Eli was highly inconsistent as a QB, and still is. He can either kill the team he's playing, or kill the team he's playing for. Those INT's last night were painful to watch. If he hadn't played so well at the end of last season and won a super bowl, I can't say that he would be the QB of the Giants still today.
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Eli isnt good, 21% of his completions go to plaxico. He just throws to the tall guy.
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I think there's a number of quarterback prospects taken early in the first round who are, for lack of a better term, "ruined" because of the situations they are in.

Then again, one might make the point that them not thriving (and not thriving afterwards) indicates if they can truly make it. Eli for example, didn't buckle or crumble, and helped lead his team to success even if his overall numbers aren't pristine.
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It's gonna be hilarious if the giants sign eli to a 100+ mil contract then release him 3 years later....
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It's gonna be hilarious if the giants sign eli to a 100+ mil contract then release him 3 years later....
this may be the absolute dumbest thing I've ever read, ever. And I saw the bulk of GRF's time here, oh my ******* lord...

and you do know QB rating is possibly the WORST stat, ever. Find some other way to bash Eli, but please, good golly miss molly, do not use QB rating.

and wanna hear another stat? Rings: Eli 1, Couch 0
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this may be the absolute dumbest thing I've ever read, ever. And I saw the bulk of GRF's time here, oh my ******* lord...

and you do know QB rating is possibly the WORST stat, ever. Find some other way to bash Eli, but please, good golly miss molly, do not use QB rating.

and wanna hear another stat? Rings: Eli 1, Couch 0
Can you tell us which QB stats matter, or are they only the ones that favor Eli manning in an argument?
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Can you tell us which QB stats matter, or are they only the ones that favor Eli manning in an argument?
well considering I think INT's are a major factor, i don't think they all favor Eli... honestly, anything but QB rating. worst stat ever. I can't ******* stand it.

and rushing yards
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Does anyone think Couch is better than Manning?
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Ummm....if i were to start a franchise and had to choose between a Tim Couch circa 1999 clone and an Eli Manning clone circa 2004, its a pretty easy pick
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Couch Completion %: 59.8
Couch AVG per Att: 6.5
Couch TD-INT: 64-67
Couch YDS per Game: 179.5

Eli Comp %: 55.4
Eli AVG per Att: 6.4
Eli TD-INT: 84-68
Eli YDS per Game: 203.4


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Eli Manning-Super Bowl Ring

Tim Couch-Out of the league
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Answer my question please.

I hope you realize the fact that you guys are throwing numbers around only makes your argument less valid. Stats are not the way to evaluate a QB but hey, what can I expect from a bunch of kids that dont watch enough football?
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I think that stat just shows how overrated of a stat QB rating is. =)
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Answer my question please.

I hope you realize the fact that you guys are throwing numbers around only makes your argument less valid. Stats are not the way to evaluate a QB but hey, what can I expect from a bunch of kids that dont watch enough football?
I'm 14, that makes me a teenager not a kid.
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Answer my question please.

I hope you realize the fact that you guys are throwing numbers around only makes your argument less valid. Stats are not the way to evaluate a QB but hey, what can I expect from a bunch of kids that dont watch enough football?
Eli, don't you have film to be watching or something?
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No answers.

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I would take Tim Couch over Eli Manning. Giants suck, Eli sucks, Osi is overrated.
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