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Old 10-22-2008, 02:36 AM    (permalink
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Atlanta offered a 2nd for Tony Gonzalez (2nd rounder) for a reason I am not sure of, but clearly they think a good TE is worth it. Gonzo refused to play with us I think, which is why the trade got rejected.

I wouldnt mind splitting with a 2nd and a 2nd day pick for Winslow. TE is a huge need for our offense anyway (the most glaring one at least).
Winslow or Gonzales would be beastly for the Falcons. As an NFC South fan, I'd be scared to face the resurgent Falcons with a legit threat at TE. That would help complete their offense and give them a dimension that would be tough to cover and help open up their passing game to a developing Matt Ryan. On the other hand, I wouldn't go after Winslow just because of his injury concerns. There isn't a FA TE worth mentioning, although Desmond Clark is a FA, but that's barely worth mentioned. If I was the Falcons FO I would have offered a 2nd and a 5th for Gonzales, which is the same price Shockey garnered.
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I thought a 2nd was too much personally. We have a very young offense (McClure is the only starter over 30 off the top of my head) and as much of an impact Gonzo can provide now, I would like a guy who can grow with this offense and be part of the team we build in the future. Winslow can be that guy at age 25 or 26.

Man. He would be amazing on the Falcons. I cannot get over this.
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I thought a 2nd was too much personally. We have a very young offense (McClure is the only starter over 30 off the top of my head) and as much of an impact Gonzo can provide now, I would like a guy who can grow with this offense and be part of the team we build in the future. Winslow can be that guy at age 25 or 26.

Man. He would be amazing on the Falcons. I cannot get over this.

Neither can I. I've always been a big Winslow fan, so I'd love this. Pretty funny how we are all hyped up though, and not even mentioned as a possible interested party. I would do that trade for Gonzo, providing the Falcons were confident we'd be picking 15th or later, which would make it a mid-late 2nd for a top TE, which I'd be cool with. Even if he only had 3 more seasons.
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Neither can I. I've always been a big Winslow fan, so I'd love this. Pretty funny how we are all hyped up though, and not even mentioned as a possible interested party. I would do that trade for Gonzo, providing the Falcons were confident we'd be picking 15th or later, which would make it a mid-late 2nd for a top TE, which I'd be cool with. Even if he only had 3 more seasons.
I feel a trade for Winslow would end up being the same trade that the Saints made for Shockey. A trade for a TE that is an instant impact when in the line-up but once out of the line-up due to injury or what-have-you (especially due to injury) would throw your team under the bus as soon as possible.

IMHO, the Falcons would be best off drafting a TE that could grow with the franchise.
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I'd take Winslow. What are the odds of drafting a TE as good as he is?
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Yeah, i'm not into drafting one and hoping he hits. If you can get Winslow for a second round pick, do that in a heart beat. There's no way in hell that you'll find someone of his caliber in the second round, anywhere. Forget the injury concerns, had he not been in Cleveland he prolly avoids getting staph, and the other injuries were due to his stupidity, and not deteriorating body.
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2nd for Winslow hell yeah pull the trigger.
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I'm not sure. There is always something wrong with K2. Whether it's physical or psychological is situational.
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Atlanta offered a 2nd for Tony Gonzalez (2nd rounder) for a reason I am not sure of, but clearly they think a good TE is worth it. Gonzo refused to play with us I think, which is why the trade got rejected.

I wouldnt mind splitting with a 2nd and a 2nd day pick for Winslow. TE is a huge need for our offense anyway (the most glaring one at least).
where'd you hear they offered a 2nd?I heard the best offers KC got were 3rd rounders
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where'd you hear they offered a 2nd?I heard the best offers KC got were 3rd rounders
It's BS. Unless Gonzo declined.
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It's BS. Unless Gonzo declined.
I've heard the same report, that Atlanta offered a 2nd round pick, but Gonzo declined the offer. I wish I knew where that link was, I'll see if I can dig it up on the falcons website, it may not have been credible anyway.

I just don't know if Atlanta can take the chemistry hit of bringing K2 in here. I would love to have him on the field, but the chemistry that Atlanta has is why they are successful. Yes, a pass catching TE would be fantastic but Atlanta is going to run the ball anyway. But for a second round pick it's a risk reward thing, because he could become the cancer that kills the team, or could just suck it up and be a man and go play football. But I think he's had too much lime light already and he's not going to get away from that.

Now if he had a good attitude he wouldn't even be in the consideration of being sent packing, but the fact that the Browns would move him is telling of something. I think waiting for the draft is the answer, but there isn't a TE THAT good this year...or any year really. K2 is special.
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I've heard the same report, that Atlanta offered a 2nd round pick, but Gonzo declined the offer. I wish I knew where that link was, I'll see if I can dig it up on the falcons website, it may not have been credible anyway.

I just don't know if Atlanta can take the chemistry hit of bringing K2 in here. I would love to have him on the field, but the chemistry that Atlanta has is why they are successful. Yes, a pass catching TE would be fantastic but Atlanta is going to run the ball anyway. But for a second round pick it's a risk reward thing, because he could become the cancer that kills the team, or could just suck it up and be a man and go play football. But I think he's had too much lime light already and he's not going to get away from that.

Now if he had a good attitude he wouldn't even be in the consideration of being sent packing, but the fact that the Browns would move him is telling of something. I think waiting for the draft is the answer, but there isn't a TE THAT good this year...or any year really. K2 is special.
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I've heard the same report, that Atlanta offered a 2nd round pick, but Gonzo declined the offer. I wish I knew where that link was, I'll see if I can dig it up on the falcons website, it may not have been credible anyway.

I just don't know if Atlanta can take the chemistry hit of bringing K2 in here. I would love to have him on the field, but the chemistry that Atlanta has is why they are successful. Yes, a pass catching TE would be fantastic but Atlanta is going to run the ball anyway. But for a second round pick it's a risk reward thing, because he could become the cancer that kills the team, or could just suck it up and be a man and go play football. But I think he's had too much lime light already and he's not going to get away from that.
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How exactly has Winslow ever throw his team-mates under the bus and been a TO type cancer? I could be missing something but. There was
1) The solja thing in college
2) A running battle with Joey Porter
3) Bagging out his GM because he didnt come to visit him in hospital.

Im not all together farmiliar with his history so what other incidents were there?
I really dont think adding any one player will screw up Falcons chemistry, i really cant see how anyone wouldnt love to play for/by-in-to Mike Smith and with a bunch of guys who love what they are doing and all get on well.

In saying that though, a 2nd rounder in 2009 and a conditional pick (3rd or 4th) in 2010 is the most id give up for him, certainly not a first when there is Gresham and the option of drafting another position there. Last year myself and other Falcons fans were shocked with how little we got for Hall (2nd 2008 5th 2009) IMO the Browns fans will be similiarly shocked this year if they inadvertantly make it clear that he will be traded before he actually is
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I thought a 2nd was too much personally. We have a very young offense (McClure is the only starter over 30 off the top of my head) and as much of an impact Gonzo can provide now, I would like a guy who can grow with this offense and be part of the team we build in the future. Winslow can be that guy at age 25 or 26.

Man. He would be amazing on the Falcons. I cannot get over this.
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If the Browns trade Kellen Winslow for anything less than another proven high caliber player then I will burn Phil Savage, Romeo Crennel and Braylon Edwards houses to the ground.

Maybe not, but I'm about 3 levels above angry right now and if it comes true I'm probably going to be 3 to the 3rd power above angry.

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Instead of moving buffalo to canada, they should move cleveland.
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They should stay where they are. They'll probably see more revenue now they're not terrible now anyway.
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Isn't Faine in there too? The Browns draft history is really painful to see laid out like that. The Chargers have had some bad runs in that area too. Still, Brownies make my heart hurt.
I thought I put Faine in there, he was right after Green, I know I thought of him when I was typing I guess I just left him out.
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How exactly has Winslow ever throw his team-mates under the bus and been a TO type cancer? I could be missing something but. There was
1) The solja thing in college
2) A running battle with Joey Porter
3) Bagging out his GM because he didnt come to visit him in hospital.

Im not all together farmiliar with his history so what other incidents were there?
I really dont think adding any one player will screw up Falcons chemistry, i really cant see how anyone wouldnt love to play for/by-in-to Mike Smith and with a bunch of guys who love what they are doing and all get on well.

In saying that though, a 2nd rounder in 2009 and a conditional pick (3rd or 4th) in 2010 is the most id give up for him, certainly not a first when there is Gresham and the option of drafting another position there. Last year myself and other Falcons fans were shocked with how little we got for Hall (2nd 2008 5th 2009) IMO the Browns fans will be similiarly shocked this year if they inadvertantly make it clear that he will be traded before he actually is
Wasn't he throwing a fit about a contract?

I also heard Minny offered the Browns 2 - 1sts for Brady Quinn...

Imagine the overhaul 2 extra first rounders and whatever they got for Winslow could do.
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