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There has been a “rash of positive tests under the steroid policy as a result of players taking water pills to lose weight," a highly-placed NFL source said.

The source told FOX 31’s Josina Anderson Friday morning that New Orleans Saints’ running back Deuce McAllister, and defensive end Will Smith were included in the web of positive tests.

“There are about six to ten overall positive tests. Three to four of them are from the Saints organization alone including McAllister and Smith.

The source told Anderson there were no Denver Broncos players that were a part of this group.

McAllister and Smith are in a group of players that have tested positive specifically for a diuretic known as Bumetanide. Some of the players in the group of six to ten tested positive for a different substance.

"Most of them tested positive for Bumetanide," said the league source. "The last few tested positive for another substance that works similarly.”

Experts at the Mayo Clinic describe Bumetanide as a drug belonging to a group of medicines called loop diuretics or “water pills.” Its uses include the treatment of fluid retention and swelling caused by medical conditions such as congestive heart failure, liver disease, and kidney disease.

However, the source told Anderson that Bumetanide has another use which makes it one of the NFL’s banned substances.

“[Bumetanide] can also mask the use of other drugs or steroids.”

Dr. Norman Smith, the lead physician at an internal medical practice in Maryland confirmed this assertion to Fox 31 Sports.

“Bumetanide makes you excrete a lot of salt and water. It dilutes the urine and makes it very difficult to test for illegal substances. There are some patients who use or abuse it where weight is critical,” Dr. Smith said.

Weight loss is the main reason the highly-placed league source identifies as to why this group of NFL players tested positive for this drug. “It seems to be clear that most of these players were doing it to cut weight.”

When the source was asked how they’re more confident these players used Bumetanide as a weight loss agent as opposed to a masking agent, the source replied, “I know that a few of these players have had weight issues.”

The source also suggested some of the players may not have known Bumetanide is on the NFL’s list of banned substances.

“I don’t think many of them are attempting to cheat, or even know it is on the list. We are talking big guys who have likely never seen a steroid in their life. My understanding of the steroid policy is that it was intended to catch cheaters or people using performance enhancing substances to gain a competitive edge. These guys don’t fall into that category,” said the source.

Regardless, all of the players in this group of positive tests, including McAllister and Smith, are subject to a suspension pending an appeal to the league. Under the NFL’s steroid policy, a player’s first positive test results in a four-game suspension.
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Looks like the Deuce is on the juice.
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When the source was asked how they’re more confident these players used Bumetanide as a weight loss agent as opposed to a masking agent, the source replied, “I know that a few of these players have had weight issues.”

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I'm gonna wait until more information comes out about this. Don't rush to conclusions.
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aye. if its true that these guys have weight clauses in their contracts and were trying to lose it for that reason, it really sucks....

It could be evidence that clauses like that should be made against the rules or something because if some of these players are high profile guys, it really hurts the NFL to have to suspend them.
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Yeah I would not jump to anything until more facts come out.
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I think Andy P. was on the juice when he was rehabbing from an injury. I wonder what the link is to players being injuried and using to try to get better faster. That's what Andy P said he used it for. I wonder how many players with injuries do that. Duece has been hurt recently in his career and I believe Smith was too, not totally sure. Just curious to see the coorelation of hurt players using it to rehab quicker.
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I think Andy P. was on the juice when he was rehabbing from an injury. I wonder what the link is to players being injuried and using to try to get better faster. That's what Andy P said he used it for. I wonder how many players with injuries do that. Duece has been hurt recently in his career and I believe Smith was too, not totally sure. Just curious to see the coorelation of hurt players using it to rehab quicker.
To be honest, I think that they're the main users. What motivation would a guy who is young, fresh, injury free, and in the best shape of his life have to use steroids? Now how about an older guy who has had an injury or two and is fighting to keep a roster spot and stay in the league against a bunch of young bucks. It's a young man's game, after all.

Think about it.
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Smith hasn't been injured recently.

Fine, just suspend them, pour salt in our wounds!!

Hell, take Drew Brees too.
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Fine, just suspend them, pour salt in our wounds!!

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I can't help but laugh at this point, it happened to the bills last year and my gmen a few years back, at some point all the players you miss just becomes funny.
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Wow. that's stupid.

"Under the NFL’s steroid policy, a player’s first positive test results in a four-game suspension."

Um... is Bumetanide a steroid? No. Why are these players being subject to steroid policy if they're 'not on steroids'... i don't care if they are or aren't... but the fact is, they DID NOT TEST POSITIVE FOR STEROIDS. therefore, they shouldn't be subject to a policy designed for steroids.
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Fine, just suspend them, pour salt in our wounds!!

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Drew Brees uses Advocare products, all natural not enhancement. My roommate sells them, they're top of the line sports and weight management supplements. If anyone is interested I can get them a hook up.

They won't be suspended yet, but man, that really would be another blow to the Saints. They're a good team, if they can have their players on the field. They're going to end up picking higher in the draft than they should, getting some stud to rectify their defense and bam...they're the NFC's powerhouse...oh that would suck...don't suspend em, let em play!
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To be honest, I think that they're the main users. What motivation would a guy who is young, fresh, injury free, and in the best shape of his life have to use steroids? Now how about an older guy who has had an injury or two and is fighting to keep a roster spot and stay in the league against a bunch of young bucks. It's a young man's game, after all.

Think about it.
Using your logic i'm sure no highschoolers or collegiate players would ever use steriods being that they're young guys.
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Using your logic i'm sure no highschoolers or collegiate players would ever use steriods being that they're young guys.
We're not talking about high schoolers or collegiate players. We're talking about NFL players.
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We're not talking about high schoolers or collegiate players. We're talking about NFL players.
My comment was in regards to you saying it's a problem with older players and why would some young guy in the prime of his life be on steroids. If so why do highschoolers and college players use?
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I think what will happen is these guys are gonna be further tested. The quote says it dilutes the urine, but a hair or blood test shouldn't be affected, I'm assuming. Maybe they'll get a game or two anyway though.
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So I guess any weight loss pill you can buy at any GNC is a steroid? Come on now NFL. The ridiculous fines for celebrations and now maybe suspending guys for weight loss pills? Give me a ******* break. Goodell is letting this power go to his head.
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My comment was in regards to you saying it's a problem with older players and why would some young guy in the prime of his life be on steroids. If so why do highschoolers and college players use?
Because the testing is much more lax in college and just about non-existent in high school. Plus, all those kids are still in the process of shaping and developing their bodies.

The NFL has one of the strictest performance-enhancing policies of any professional sport. Plus, by this point, most of these guys have already maxed out their body in terms of potential.
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So I guess any weight loss pill you can buy at any GNC is a steroid? Come on now NFL. The ridiculous fines for celebrations and now maybe suspending guys for weight loss pills? Give me a ******* break. Goodell is letting this power go to his head.
It's not ANY weight loss pill though.

That's where the issue comes up then.
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It's not ANY weight loss pill though.

That's where the issue comes up then.
I know, it was just a little sarcasm. It is all really ridiculous.
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So I guess any weight loss pill you can buy at any GNC is a steroid? Come on now NFL. The ridiculous fines for celebrations and now maybe suspending guys for weight loss pills? Give me a ******* break. Goodell is letting this power go to his head.
Not a chance in fact. The NFL is adamant, and has made no bones about it, that every single player is responsible for what they put into their body. The league additionally provides a list of acceptable items, for players to check and be sure.
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Old 10-24-2008, 03:15 PM    (permalink
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Not a chance in fact. The NFL is adamant, and has made no bones about it, that every single player is responsible for what they put into their body. The league additionally provides a list of acceptable items, for players to check and be sure.
Yeah they are getting 4 games, all of them. You know what is banned and what isn't, why would you take it. They knew what was going to happen if they got caught. Even if you were using it as a weight loss pill, it doesn't matter because its on the list of banned substances.
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Old 10-24-2008, 03:18 PM    (permalink
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^ Right. The banned substances list is available. It is the responsibility of the club & player to ensure they are in compliance.

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Old 10-24-2008, 03:22 PM    (permalink
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I agree, these guys can't just be taking pills if they don't know everything about them. The guidelines are strict and enforced, it is no one's fault but their own if they don't follow them. Why make excuses for them?
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