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Old 10-27-2008, 02:42 PM    (permalink
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It's just a matter of time before he brings "his guys" in and starts to jettison the ones that don't believe his "old school" philosophy.
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1. His team didn't rally behind him or support him when he really needed them most (the early stages of his career). A bad sign of things to come.
2. Lets squash it now to prevent infractions.
fair enough...I just love Singletary and really want him to succeed, and I love that he is putting a recognizable player in his place...but just like with Nolan, he might have fallen into a situation that is extremely hard to overcome

and this was fun while it lasted ;)
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They should go after Julius Peppers in FA.

I know Peppers isn't the greatest pass rusher in the world, but Id love to see a rebuilding project in SF with a 4-3 defense with Peppers on the line, Willis at MIKE and Clements at CB. Thats 3 nice building blocks to feed off of.
They'd have to find some place to put Justin Smith. I know they put hella lotta money in him.
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looks like Mike Ditka thought him right.
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For those that want to say that Singletary can't get the job done bc he lacks the X and O magic, I disagree.

I cite Bill Cowher. Bill Cowher was never a great X and O coach. But he surrounded himself with great coaches, and he preached fundamentals and toughness which resonated with his teams. Cowher wasn't a great coach bc he outsmarted you. Cowher was a great coach bc he taught his teams to be tough, physical, and mentally strong.

Coughlin is another guy who wouldn't wow you with his Xs and Os, but moreso introduced toughness to his teams which leads to consistent play.

A head coach's job isn't necessarily to X and O the other team to death. Not every coach needs to do that. The HC of a team is moreso a guy who reflects an ideology and personality of what the team is to become.

Every team takes on the personality of their coach. If you have a tough coach, you'll have a tough team. If you have a coach who panics, your team will panic. If you have a smart coach, your players will flock to that and play smart. Etc etc etc. Teams take after the personality of their coach. Thats his biggest contribution to the team. Always.

Singletary may not have the X and O experience, but he's going to bring toughness, accountability, intelligence, and heart to that team over time. Its not an immediate process, sometimes with teams it takes a good 2 to 3 years to weed out the garbage and mold the team after the coach, but he will fix the mentality of this team. The most important thing when turning around a franchise is changing the culture and mentality. Singletary can fix that. He's a natural leader. Thats what a HC is all about. Leadership.

This team will eventually, if they give Singletary a chance, reflect the personality of its HC. And thats a great personality to mold your team after.
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That rant was embarrassing. You don't throw players under the bus publicly. If the Niners fail because of ANY coaching, I wouldn't care if VD went to the media and **** all over the coaching staff.
This was way long overdue for Vernon. He has been babied ever since he first stepped foot. He has never been chewed for anything this had to happen.
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I like Singletary, but the more I think about, the more I feel he went overboard. Benching him and then talk to him about it afterwards, after the game, should have been done imo.

But to send him to the locker room early? Overreaction, considering VD didn't speak back at Singletary or anything like that.

And then the post-game presser ... honestly, I suspect Singletary was trying to send a message to Mike Martz and the team, but it comes off horrible for Davis. Not to mention he was the guy who almost caught Josh Wilson on that interception return.

He made a stupid, stupid penalty, and yes he has issues as a whole in terms of studying his playbook, but I think Singletary went way too far with him. I can't say I dislike the emotion, but Singletary needs to keep a clear and clam head on his shoulders if he's going to be a head coach. That might fly as a defensive coordinator (which he hasn't even been that if I recall), but not as a HC.

VD might have learned something, hopefully Singletary also learned from his own stupid mistake.
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I like the fact that he made it clear he won't take any BS. But I agree that burning the guy in the post game PC was too much. He should have downplayed that at least long enough to talk to the player & see if it could be worked out.

Making a big show out of it doesn't really help anyone. Now it's going to be a circus for weeks w/everyone (especially Mike & Davis) scrutinized for every move they make. Way to right the ship by causing a big, fat media hoopla to act as a major distraction.
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Not really Geo. VD has 2.5 years of stupid incidents that went unpunished. I'm sure Singletary wanted to discipline him many times in the past, but couldn't because he was just a LB coach. It didn't surprise me that the first time VD acted like a 12-year old child on the field, he put the hammer down. VD NEEDS this, whether he realizes it or not. He NEEDS someone to show him how to act like a normal person.
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I like Singletary, but the more I think about, the more I feel he went overboard. Benching him and then talk to him about it afterwards, after the game, should have been done imo.

But to send him to the locker room early? Overreaction, considering VD didn't speak back at Singletary or anything like that.

And then the post-game presser ... honestly, I suspect Singletary was trying to send a message to Mike Martz and the team, but it comes off horrible for Davis. Not to mention he was the guy who almost caught Josh Wilson on that interception return.

He made a stupid, stupid penalty, and yes he has issues as a whole in terms of studying his playbook, but I think Singletary went way too far with him. I can't say I dislike the emotion, but Singletary needs to keep a clear and clam head on his shoulders if he's going to be a head coach. That might fly as a defensive coordinator (which he hasn't even been that if I recall), but not as a HC.

VD might have learned something, hopefully Singletary also learned from his own stupid mistake.
Vernon did talk back to Singletary. Mike was not so much pissed about the penalty, but the fact that Vernon did not understand that he did anything wrong. Also the fact that he got yelled at and instead of standing on the sidelines ready to play and supporting his teams he just sat on the bench.



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“You don’t need to be sayin’ nothin’ to me right now,” Davis barked at the coach, according to witnesses. Singletary ordered Davis to take a seat on the bench, and shortly thereafter the coach approached and stressed the importance of avoiding stupid penalties.

“I said I don’t need to hear it,” Davis snapped, cutting him off.

Singletary told Davis to go take a shower, and as the Niners were driving for their first and only touchdown of the game, the tight end was waving his helmet at what was left of the announced crowd of 67,504 and heading through the tunnel.

Upon reaching the locker room, Davis took his helmet and threw it violently against a wall, according to one eyewitness.

Meanwhile, on the 49ers’ sidelines, most of Davis’ teammates were quietly singing the praises of ‘Coach Sing.’ ”

Explained one veteran defender: “Vernon does this crap all the time, and Nolan would always let it go. He created this monster. The good news is that Coach Sing wasn’t having that.”

Added another veteran defender: “No one’s bigger than the team, right? We were all happy to see that this (expletive) won’t be tolerated.”
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But to send him to the locker room early? Overreaction, considering VD didn't speak back at Singletary or anything like that.

I'm under the impression that he did speak back.....at least I read that he did in at least one article. Similarly, it was his attitude afterwards that also contributed to the response, not to mention the history of the player. Let us not act like people just react to one event. If someone was stupid or cocky for a long time in something i was apart of, it may take one specific incident to finally set something off.

I agree the afterwards press conference may have been a little much, but the point is now made, he was made an example of, he can either cry or come back and show what he's got. At this point it wouldn't be a big loss if he doesn't come back positive. I agree you never want to lose a high pick with physical ability and talent, but he can't live off hype forever. I do like his effort on the interception return though, he showed serious hustle and speed.
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Vernon did talk back to Singletary. Mike was not so much pissed about the penalty, but the fact that Vernon did not understand that he did anything wrong. Also the fact that he got yelled at and instead of standing on the sidelines ready to play and supporting his teams he just sat on the bench.
Ah, okay, I wasn't aware of that. Great stuff, thanks. Then I can see kicking him off the field.
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I'm totally in Singeltary's camp here but i also would like to see them get someone there that can actually throw the ball more than 20 yards down the field and use Davis accordingly.
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No one could learn Mike Martz offense on the fly this quick......the guys on the roster are who he's going to have to use this year.
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Dont know how he'd work with Martz but what they have there isnt the answer.
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I'm totally in Singeltary's camp here but i also would like to see them get someone there that can actually throw the ball more than 20 yards down the field and use Davis accordingly.
How the hell is anyone going to "use Davis accordingly?" I guess they'd have to find a quarterback that was fast enough to run downfield with the ball and then physically shove the ball into Davis' body therefore causing this clumsy idiot to not drop the it every damn play.
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How the hell is anyone going to "use Davis accordingly?" I guess they'd have to find a quarterback that was fast enough to run downfield with the ball and then physically shove the ball into Davis' body therefore causing this clumsy idiot to not drop the it every damn play.
All i'm saying is utilize his speed, i'm not saying he's Antonio Gates as a TE but wasnt he supposed to be this great athlete?
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All i'm saying is utilize his speed, i'm not saying he's Antonio Gates as a TE but wasnt he supposed to be this great athlete?
aye, but he has issues with agility, pass catching, blocking.......pretty much everything that doesn't involve running in a straight line.

Makes me glad his 40 time put him out of the Bears draft reach that year.....and makes me ever gladder that we got Greg Olsen the next year :)
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aye, but he has issues with agility, pass catching, blocking.......pretty much everything that doesn't involve running in a straight line.

Makes me glad his 40 time put him out of the Bears draft reach that year.....and makes me ever gladder that we got Greg Olsen the next year :)
I guess i was duped into thinking that this guy was this freak athlete that had good hands and agility coming out of college. I'll defer to others that see him a lot more than i do but i just dont get this total flop as a player.
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I guess i was duped into thinking that this guy was this freak athlete that had good hands and agility coming out of college. I'll defer to others that see him a lot more than i do but i just dont get this total flop as a player.
Thus far he just appears to be one of those hype machines, aka workout warrior. He's got an ego to, so the combo doesn't really work out. I still think he can be an effective player, and i'm very interested to see what he does the rest of his career. I don't know if the systems he's been in have helped his cause, but i'm certainly not taking the blame off of him, he's been bad.
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You can't really blame the systems because there are soooooooo many times where he's open, the ball is thrown on time and accurately, and he flatout drops it. I really wanted him to succeed, but I'm just finished trying to defend him or make excuses. It's not the systems, it's not the quarterbacks, it's not the defenses, it's Vernon. He can't catch. And when he miraculously holds on to a pass, he then starts pounding his chest and acting like a clown.
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All i'm saying is utilize his speed, i'm not saying he's Antonio Gates as a TE but wasnt he supposed to be this great athlete?
Vernon Davis isn't as physically talented as he is made out to be. He's an undersized TE with stiff hips who just happens to be able to run fast in a straight line. Not being able to catch, run routes, or understand the playbook doesn't help either.
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I think if Singletary motivates him he will be ok. At the end of the year last year he started to really come on strong when Shaun Hill came into the lineup.
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And with Hill starting again, hopefully it works out.
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