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Old 10-28-2008, 03:35 PM    (permalink
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Now onto Bruce Arians... Good move for the Chargers. With all the talent they have its ridiculous that they're are giving up so many points. But Rivera has never run a 3-4, should be fun to watch.

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Bear fans, how is he as a DC in general?

My biggest concern is his knowledge of running the 3-4.
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Its funny how much impact 1 player can have, people say that the NFL is different and one player cannot impact an entire team....if Merriman is healthy this team is probably at least 2 wins better and cottrell still has his job.
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With all the talent they have its ridiculous that they're are giving up so many points. But Rivera has never run a 3-4, should be fun to watch.
Without Merriman, their talent on defense isn't all that great. They have no one at ILB or safety. Their only quality linebacker, Phillips, is more of a complementary pass rusher. He can't handle the double teams Merriman does. Their best corner is Jammer, who is solid but unspectacular. The defensive line has underperformed this season.

Cottrell was awful, but I think he was just making a below-average defense terrible.
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I would still rate the charges talent as good, when you have guys like Jamal Williams, Luis Castillo, Shaun Phillips, Jammer and Cromartie (although hes been half ******** this year) your defense should still be in the top half of the leauge.
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Bear fans, how is he as a DC in general?

My biggest concern is his knowledge of running the 3-4.
He's not really an X's and O's guy but more of a motivator. As a Bears fan I'm ambivalent towards him because we obviously had a very succesful defense under him but I thought he did a terrible job scheming in the 2006 playoff game vs. Carolina and in the Superbowl. We let him go because he was always off on job interviews for HC positions when we were getting ready for playoff games.

He played with Singletary on the 85 Bears, learned from Jim Johnson's blitzing D in Philadelphia, and learned the Tampa 2 from Lovie. So really all he knows about the 3-4, he learned from Cottrell. Let that sink in for a second before you get too optimistic in San Diego.
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I'd say their defensive woes are less about Merriman and more about Antonio Cromartie going for the big play every play. He let last year get to his head.
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Without Merriman, their talent on defense isn't all that great. They have no one at ILB or safety. Their only quality linebacker, Phillips, is more of a complementary pass rusher. He can't handle the double teams Merriman does. Their best corner is Jammer, who is solid but unspectacular. The defensive line has underperformed this season.

Cottrell was awful, but I think he was just making a below-average defense terrible.
We have no ILB? Stephen Cooper says hi, he led the team in tackles last year having over 100 and this year missing 4 games and came back playing has helped the run defense a little but nothing too noticeable. He has played 4 games this year and already have 34 tackles and a sack. But i cant argue with the rest.

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Now onto Bruce Arians... Good move for the Chargers. With all the talent they have its ridiculous that they're are giving up so many points. But Rivera has never run a 3-4, should be fun to watch.

Yeah thats great that you can guess how many more wins we could have with shawne merriman, when a defense loses their leader its a big blow and ur suppose to expect them to play with the same level as they did last year? not the mention we didnt have stephen cooper for the 1st 4 games. Go take your assumptions somewhere else.

AND edit: RayRay read your post a wrong so ignore me, but with merriman or not Ted doesnt know how or what a blitz is i would have wanted him out with or without merriman playing
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And yes Cromartie is playing for interceptions this year and i blame his cockiness from last year for playing this bad.
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Cromartie's problem is that stupid interception goal he set.
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Hoepfully this move pays off for them.
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Part of me wonders if the Chargers issues at safety could be fixed by moving Cromartie to FS and sliding Cason into the starting lineup at CB. Cromartie seems to be much better playing in space and being a ballhawk rather than trying to stay in man to man coverage.
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Part of me wonders if the Chargers issues at safety could be fixed by moving Cromartie to FS and sliding Cason into the starting lineup at CB. Cromartie seems to be much better playing in space and being a ballhawk rather than trying to stay in man to man coverage.
I thought about that too seems kind of silly to draft a guy that you plan in playing in the nickel in the first round. The Chargers have been able to get away with slightly above average safety play the past few years. Without the pass rush they have been pretty exposed.
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I dont see that happening this year, im not sold on cletis gordon being our nickelback
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I wish the Saints Organization was like the Chargers. Our DC is probably much worse and we simply refuse to let him go.
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Yeah, but the difference is there is 0 way the Steelers Fire Arians at 5-2.

Who would step up?

Ken Anderson? He was an excellent QB and seems to be a good coach..

James Daniel? Randy Fichtner? Kirby Wilson? Larry Z?

There's not a guy on this roster on the offensive side that I believe could step up and coordinate. MAYBE Anderson.

You'd have to Hire someone and frankly, I do agree if we were 3-4 it'd be a good idea.

I honestly just don't know who's out there. With the Firing of Cottrell I'm guessing Norv is safe for another year .. F***.. What Norv could do with this offense.

But frankly, I really don't know who to pick up.
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Anderson would be a great choice. As a former QB he should communicate well with Roethlisberger and help him improve and no matter what he will be an upgrade over BA.
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How did this turn into a steelers discussion? Lets all party and be happy Ted is out of a job!
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I really saw this comming, who didn't? Good move IMO
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