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Old 11-02-2008, 05:27 PM    (permalink
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So Im watching them play the Falcons and I dont know what to say. I think they will be a top 5 pick after today. What are the biggest needs in your guys' opinions. They really need to get this offense going this is sad. I'd say

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Pitiful game. This offense is terrible, the defense just needs a new coordinator and a few more peices. Ofcourse it won't matter til Al leaves.

1st- Michael Oher LT Ole Miss
2nd- Louis Murphy WR Florida
3rd- Marko Mitchell WR Nevada
4th- Gerald Cadogan OL Penn State
6th- Larry English DE Northern Illinois
7th- Rashad Bobino ILB Texas

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You want to take 2 more WRs? I like the fact that you want oher (if he's even there when you pick) But you've gotta be looking at your real problems, team cohesiveness. Your offensive line needs help, but your team just needs to play team ball.
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Trading down seems like the best move.Our interior is ok our OTs suck.We need another DE,a DT,and an SLB.Jamarcus so far sucks and its quite obvious as why Kiffin didn't want him.A WR like Heyward Bey or Crabtree would be great.
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Trading down seems like the best move.Our interior is ok our OTs suck.We need another DE,a DT,and an SLB.Jamarcus so far sucks and its quite obvious as why Kiffin didn't want him.A WR like Heyward Bey or Crabtree would be great.
Agreed, and JaMarcus just doesn't fit in our offense. Hopefully the next HC runs something better suited for him.
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I say we should get Micahel Crabtree if not than go with the obvious choice of a top OT
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Trading down seems like the best move.Our interior is ok our OTs suck.We need another DE,a DT,and an SLB.Jamarcus so far sucks and its quite obvious as why Kiffin didn't want him.A WR like Heyward Bey or Crabtree would be great.
Trading down is almost always a good idea for a top 5 pick, it's just very difficult to actually pull off. I doubt it happens so I'm hoping we strengthen the trenches. I don't want a WR in the 1st because it won't do any good. If our DL can't stop the opposing team from getting first downs our offense will never get on the field and if our OL can't give the QB enough time to throw it won't matter who JR is throwing to.

We already had a big time WR in Moss and it didn't make us any better because our lines suck (I know there were a lot of other circumstances involved, but the point remains the same). Take a look at Detroit, they took CJ (who is awesome BTW) but it really isn't doing them any good because they have no OL and their D stinks.

I guess the easiest way to sum up is a good WR is a luxury but a good OL is a necessity. You can win without an elite WR but you can't win if your lines suck.

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It all really has to play out still. Who knows what coaching staff is going to be in place next season. I am convinced Russell needs a go-to-guy like a Crabtree but as Stash pointed out you MUST address the lines primarily before you move onto the 'luxuries' in order to become a great team.
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I really hope we draft a OT before a WR. As most of you guys said above me is that getting a good WR wouldnt change much for us right now. If we had a some what decent LT right now we could maybe have another win. We could also move Harris to RT or just bench his sorry ass.

Just wonder if we would have drafted Calvin Johnson, Joe Thomas, or Adrian Peterson...........
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Hopefully Cable starts Henderson really soon so we know if he can play in the league or not. We also have to move Kirk to the bench or OLB because he can not cut it in the middle.
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Just wonder if we would have drafted Calvin Johnson, Joe Thomas, or Adrian Peterson...........
Probably would have went CJ, not that it would have actually changed much.
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Probably would have went CJ, not that it would have actually changed much.
We probably would have drafted a QB in round 2 or 3(Trent Edwards)
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Probably would have went CJ, not that it would have actually changed much.
At least I'd be able to say that we chose the best prospect available.

I'd say that drafting a new left tackle is priority number one. Get Kwame Harris to the right side and get Cornell Green off the field. Not that I wouldn't mind a wide receiver or even a cornerback if Nnamdi Asomugha leaves, but I don't think the value will surpass the top offensive tackles that should be available in the first.
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Getting a good OT would also allow Miller to be more of a recieving threat.
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doesnt matter who we draft they will suck .......
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atleast it's warm over there, it's cold over here in michigan most of the time. i feel for you guys over there, and if i had to guess who al davis would pick, i think he actually goes wr this next year. i think ronald curry and javon walker are almost out the door.
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Oh I know Al in the end will select one of the freak receivers ( Crabtree, Maclin, DHB ) but we desperately need some help on the lines whether on the offensive or defensive side.
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Big Board for Oakland right now...

1. Andre Smith / LT / Alabama
2. Malcolm Jenkins / CB / Ohio State
3. Michael Crabtree / WR / Texas Tech
4. Jason Smith / LT / Baylor
5. Jeremy Maclin / WR / Missouri
6. Michael Oher / LT / Mississippi
7. Aaron Curry / LB / Wake Forest
8. Greg Hardy / DE / Mississippi
9. Darius Heyward-Bey / WR / Maryland
10. Brian Orakpo / DE / Texas
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Whats with Malcom Jenkins at #2 PMD?Is that who you think we should be looking at or who Al Davis thinks we should be looking at?I'm not the biggest fan of Routt but I'd prefer to have him as a starter and get a good pass rush going.
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Whats with Malcom Jenkins at #2 PMD?Is that who you think we should be looking at or who Al Davis thinks we should be looking at?I'm not the biggest fan of Routt but I'd prefer to have him as a starter and get a good pass rush going.
Until we get not just a decent cornerback, but a good cornerback playing opposite Asomugha, the value Nnamdi offers is diminished and the defense doesn't work. And that's assuming Nnamdi come back for 2009, because if he's gone then Jenkins might even tie Smith for who should go to Oakland.

Mostly, I'm just a big fan of Jenkins. As long as Al requires the running of a pure man Cover-0 defense, that position is as vital as any on the field.
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I would prefer we get another DE and a D-coordinator who likes to bring pressure instead of adding another DB, we can address that another time. From what I've seen Chris Johnson ain't that bad and Routt is decent as well. Obviously they could be improved but I think OL and DL are much bigger needs.
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I would prefer we get another DE and a D-coordinator who likes to bring pressure instead of adding another DB, we can address that another time. From what I've seen Chris Johnson ain't that bad and Routt is decent as well. Obviously they could be improved but I think OL and DL are much bigger needs.
That's my thinking as well right now. Personally, I wouldn't touch a DB on the first day with the much bigger needs we clearly showed today especially on the offensive side. Anything besides OT in the first round and you must be really kidding yourself. Then in the second round we could probably look to address the receiver position and find JaMarcus a competent playmaker to work with for the distant future.
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It can't just be position though. It's nice to say that we need to go one way and only that way, but if Andre Smith is off the table, I'm not sure I want to see Oakland take a left tackle. Michael Oher and Eugene Monroe have some major limitation to their game and we're seeing them inch down draft boards this season. Jason Smith is a personal favorite of mine, but he's definitely more of an unknown factor and represents some risk.

I just want Oakland to draft personally motivated players who don't require a ton of development. Smith is that. Jenkins is that. Crabtree isn't that, but goddamn he's tempting.
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I get what you're saying but we are so pathetically inept on offense if you don't go OT or WR in the first few rounds this situation will continue to drag itself on and never go away.

In a hypothetical situation as you have laid out and the presumably only elite offensive lineman ( A. Smith ) is off the board at your pick then you turn your attention to a highly-ranked receiver ( Crabtree, Maclin, DHB ) even in a trade-down scenario if one happens to pop up which is obviously often difficult.

Adding more solid defensive pieces is nice but as the defense has for the most part proven it can hold it's own there and sometimes even control an opposing side. We just don't have the luxury of going in any other direction, imo.
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The defense can hold its own? Since when? I know Oakland's defense has played the third most snaps in the NFL, but they've been well below average this season and have played some truly horrendous 4th quarters. Maybe that's mostly Rob Ryan. I don't know. I do know that Rob Ryan defenses weren't always this bad.

The only thing that will make this situation drag out is if we keep drafting players based on athleticism rather than actual playing ability. We can't draft like a normal team. This team simply doesn't develop players properly for a myriad of reasons (Scrabble may be the exception, but he's not the average NFL player). Normals teams target needs because if they didn't they'd have logjams of quality at certain positions. Where could the Raider logjam anything but large contracts? Any good player is a good place to start. This was the entire basis for my support for drafting Calvin Johnson in 2007. You draft the guys who are the most immediately valuable and least risky regardless of position (at first, at least). Not to say this is easy, but if Oakland isn't going to build from the top down (like a normal team), then things have to build from the bottom up.
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