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Old 11-04-2008, 11:22 AM    (permalink
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Well Devery Henderson and Bernard Berrian are also "deep threats", so take that for whatever that title is worth.
Bernard Berrian leads the league in YPC for receivers with at least 30 catches, and Henderson would blow him out of the water if he had 30 catches. Not sure where you're going with this.

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Also, if stone hands Edwards wouldn't drop so many balls on the inside his YPC wouldn't be so high. He's just not very good this year.
So why was his YPC last year 16.1? Why has it never been under 14.5?
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Bernard Berrian leads the league in YPC for receivers with at least 30 catches, and Henderson would blow him out of the water if he had 30 catches. Not sure where you're going with this.
That neither of those guys are very good WR's, both who would be considered "deep threats" by your standards. That both have high YPC's, and i'd choose about thirty guys before i picked either one of them. Just goes to show that to me, YPC means jack ****. Would you like for me to draw a picture?

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So why was his YPC last year 16.1? Why has it never been under 14.5?
I don't care if his YPC is two thousand. My original post said that he's worthless as a deep threat if he can't catch the deep ball. He dropped a huge pass against the Ravens, and dropped about two touchdowns against Dallas. Not to mention the countless drops he has had in the middle of the field.
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Old 11-04-2008, 11:38 AM    (permalink
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That neither of those guys are very good WR's, both who would be considered "deep threats" by your standards. That both have high YPC's, and i'd choose about thirty guys before i picked either one of them. Just goes to show that to me, YPC means jack ****. Would you like for me to draw a picture?
YPC is one of the most important stats for a receiver. Who gives a **** if you have 100 receptions for 678 yards? Anyone can do that. Why do you think 99% of elite receivers have high YPC? Coincidence?

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I don't care if his YPC is two thousand. My original post said that he's worthless as a deep threat if he can't catch the deep ball. He dropped a huge pass against the Ravens, and dropped about two touchdowns against Dallas. Not to mention the countless drops he has had in the middle of the field.
But he's not worthless as a deep threat. If you can average 17 yards per catch, you're clearly stretching the defense and opening up the underneath stuff for your tight ends, slot receivers, running backs etc...Being a deep threat isn't just catching your occasional 60 yard bomb downfield. If you catch a 30 yard post, that's pretty important too, no?
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Old 11-04-2008, 11:43 AM    (permalink
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YPC is one of the most important stats for a receiver. Who gives a **** if you have 100 receptions for 678 yards? Anyone can do that. Why do you think 99% of elite receivers have high YPC? Coincidence?
No, not anyone can do that. Only a guy with good hands can do that. Braylon Edwards will never have a 100 catch season if he plays anywhere near the level he is right now. The offensive scheme and how players are used has so much to do in YPC that it makes it less meaningful to me. I honestly don't give a crap about YPC.

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But he's not worthless as a deep threat. If you can average 17 yards per catch, you're clearly stretching the defense and opening up the underneath stuff for your tight ends, slot receivers, running backs etc...Being a deep threat isn't just catching your occasional 60 yard bomb downfield. If you catch a 30 yard post, that's pretty important too, no?
So if you catch a thirty yard post, then you drop two or three 10 yard slants or outs, does the post route negate the drops? Moving the chains and getting tough yards inside is just as important, if not more, than occasionally catching a long pass.
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Old 11-04-2008, 11:46 AM    (permalink
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76.9% of Braylon's catches this year have gone for first downs. The only players with at least 25 catches with a higher first down % are Vincent Jackson (90%! Damn!), Lee Evans and Steve Smith.

So much for that "not moving the chains" ********.
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Old 11-04-2008, 11:51 AM    (permalink
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Lol, and you think that 26 catches is a good assessment of a player?
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Yeah, YAC > YPC. Personally, YPC is a good assessment but certainly not the only one when it comes to a great receiver.
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76.9% of Braylon's catches this year have gone for first downs. The only players with at least 25 catches with a higher first down % are Vincent Jackson (90%! Damn!), Lee Evans and Steve Smith.

So much for that "not moving the chains" ********.
Sounds about right, he's been pretty money down the field, he's finally using his arms and his height more, the guy is 6'5 and can get down the field. He has been developing for a while now but no homer, I think his ceiling will be very high.
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Lol, and you think that 26 catches is a good assessment of a player?
I didn't say he's not struggling to catch the ball. He's just not the epic fail you're trying to make him out to be.
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I didn't say he's not struggling to catch the ball. He's just not the epic fail you're trying to make him out to be.
The only person that thought my post insinuated he was an "epic fail" was you. But then again, straw man fallacies are no strangers to your arguments.
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The only person that thought my post insinuated he was an "epic fail" was you. But then again, straw man fallacies are no strangers to your arguments.
Says the guy who thinks Tony Romo is more recognizable than Tom Brady.
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Says the guy who thinks Tony Romo is more recognizable than Tom Brady.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Lol you guys make me laugh sometimes. :)
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Says the guy who thinks Tony Romo is more recognizable than Tom Brady.
Is there supposed to be some subtle irony in this post, or do you really refuse to use any logic whatsoever in your discussions on this board?
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Is there supposed to be some subtle irony in this post, or do you really refuse to use any logic whatsoever in your discussions on this board?
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Is there supposed to be some subtle irony in this post, or do you really refuse to use any logic whatsoever in your discussions on this board?
No, I have logic. What I don't have is a post questioning someone's logic after I make a ridiculous claim, such as "Tony Romo is more recognizable than Tom Brady".
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No, I have logic. What I don't have is a post questioning someone's logic after I make a ridiculous claim, such as "Tony Romo is more recognizable than Tom Brady".
No, you don't. Attacking the credibility of my opinion, simply because you disagree with a previous opinion of mine, which holds no regard whatsoever in this discussion, is absolutely illogical. There's no way around that, buddy. Like i said, you make your living using illogical arguments, so it's not something unexpected. But don't deny it either.
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For as much **** as he takes for the dropsies, he's still an elite deep threat in this league.
Im sorry as a Fantasy owner of Edwards i strongly disagree.
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Braylon will start caring again!

For as much **** as he takes for the dropsies, he's still an elite deep threat in this league.
And Why the **** does the one game he shows up in has to be against the Giants???? Oh well, time for Braylon to go for 200 yards against the Eagles!!!
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I don't have to watch it to know it was not interesting.
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Sounds about right, he's been pretty money down the field, he's finally using his arms and his height more, the guy is 6'5 and can get down the field. He has been developing for a while now but no homer, I think his ceiling will be very high.
He looks a lot thinner this year, and more explosive. I was waiting for him to breakout, always had the talent to be a very good WR.
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I dunno even half of those guys why did we sign them jeez.
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You should be thankful. There's no ******* way you can average over 17 yards per catch and not ******* be considered a deep threat. That's just ********.
If Edwards was an OSU receiver playing for the Browns he would be "A pathetic excuse of a #1 receiver that makes tough catches but drops so many and is a complete choke"
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