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Old 11-05-2008, 11:37 PM    (permalink
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Well UB does have future All-Pro Oline...
no disrespect to the mac (which is the most fun conference to watch)... they're marginally better than the aformentioned pro teams.

i'd sell my house if i could watch like ball state vs detroit.
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Quality of opponents?

He's playing offensive lines that wouldn't even make it in the MAC.

Well first off they would. Second off, I forgot John made up the Falcons schedule this year and put himself up against some easier opponents. I guess he's also the only DE in the league that gets to go up against these same players correct?
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Pretty poor attempt at sarcasm. This is apart of my work. You can believe it or not. Quite frankly, I do not care. And to AQ, the stats aren't online or anything like that, mainly is because they are looked at differently from team to team. It's all a matter of how you define a QB pressure, and stats like that. You'll sometimes see coaches state how a player has more tackles then given credit for, etc. It all falls into the same mold. Babineaux has been strong this year, I'd agree. I personally think that you're overrating him though. He's a good pocket pusher. He's got playmaking ability, (one of the top in TFL), but for the most part I'd say Babs benefits from Abe more then vica-versa.
Seriously, have u any prove u could like show us? or are u just gonna state it
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Seriously, have u any prove u could like show us? or are u just gonna state it

Not really anything. It's just a matter if you believe me or not, which I know most probably do not. As a group, we've got John Abraham as the top DE in pressures thus far with Tuck and Mario a few behind. I'm not going to release the actual papers and stuff, but that's what there is. You could go to another person, and he could have something different because as I stated, pressures isn't really official. It's a matter of watching, and determining what you think a pressure really is. Whether it's a hit on a QB, making him not be able to go through progressions, etc.
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so why dont u release it? why?
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I know this is defensive ends but Justin Tuck's hybrid size and speed which allows him to dominate on the pass rush inside or out and his ability to stop the run and cause havoc all along the line makes him the best de/overall d-lineman in the league so far this year. His motor is ridiculous it's amazing what the guy can do especially with Uminenyora and Strahan out, he plays 120% on every snap it seems. A lot has to go to Spags too and the way he has legitimized that defense in the past couple years without top talent to be one of the leagues best.
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I know this is defensive ends but Justin Tuck's hybrid size and speed which allows him to dominate on the pass rush inside or out and his ability to stop the run and cause havoc all along the line makes him the best de/overall d-lineman in the league so far this year. His motor is ridiculous it's amazing what the guy can do especially with Uminenyora and Strahan out, he plays 120% on every snap it seems. A lot has to go to Spags too and the way he has legitimized that defense in the past couple years without top talent to be one of the leagues best.
I really love how spags takes advantage of our depth by rotating guys keeping them fresh and using his guys in different ways, it'll really be a shame if he leaves for a HC job.
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I really love how spags takes advantage of our depth by rotating guys keeping them fresh and using his guys in different ways, it'll really be a shame if he leaves for a HC job.
I think that Minnesota should go after him hard, I'd be surprised if he doesn't take a job after this season.
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I think that Minnesota should go after him hard, I'd be surprised if he doesn't take a job after this season.
yeah, me to :( I'm actually hoping we repeat this season, not because it's so important that we win another title but because I want coughlin to retire so we can promote spags to keep him with the team.
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so why dont u release it? why?


My employer doesn't release it for whatever reason they have, so as an employee I wouldn't feel comfortable releasing it.
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My employer doesn't release it for whatever reason they have, so as an employee I wouldn't feel comfortable releasing it.
dude that's not cool, demand that they return your balls to you immediately.
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dude that's not cool, demand that they return your balls to you immediately.

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its just awesome when someone comes on here, states something, and then tries to back it up with another statement and then wants to convince others with that
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Well first off they would. Second off, I forgot John made up the Falcons schedule this year and put himself up against some easier opponents. I guess he's also the only DE in the league that gets to go up against these same players correct?
The lions have been sacked 27 times, or 3 sacks per game (abe had 3). The Chiefs have been sacked 23 times, or 2.5 sacks per game (abe had 2). The Raiders have been sacked 22 times. or 2.5 times a game (abe had 3). Average NFL team's sacks allowed? 1.2 sacks per game?


I bet if atlanta played the patriots... abe would have a field day too. they've allowed 29 sacks on the year!

Anyway. do you understand the concept of the math? Abe beats up on the teams everyone already beats up on. If he's scoring the same number of sacks against the same teams that everyone is scoring the same number of sacks against...

If you want to get better data... Wait a few weeks after carolina rakes detroit or tampa plays oakland... you'll see what common opponents do to those teams... and what gaines adams and peppers will do to such weak lines... if you want proof. there will be your proof.
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its just awesome when someone comes on here, states something, and then tries to back it up with another statement and then wants to convince others with that

Yeah. It's awesome. I could just say he leads the NFL in sacks for a DE, and be done with it, but I actually tried to show something else from what I've seen. Sorry.
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The lions have been sacked 27 times, or 3 sacks per game (abe had 3). The Chiefs have been sacked 23 times, or 2.5 sacks per game (abe had 2). The Raiders have been sacked 22 times. or 2.5 times a game (abe had 3). Average NFL team's sacks allowed? 1.2 sacks per game?


I bet if atlanta played the patriots... abe would have a field day too. they've allowed 29 sacks on the year!

Anyway. do you understand the concept of the math? Abe beats up on the teams everyone already beats up on. If he's scoring the same number of sacks against the same teams that everyone is scoring the same number of sacks against...

If you want to get better data... Wait a few weeks after carolina rakes detroit or tampa plays oakland... you'll see what common opponents do to those teams... and what gaines adams and peppers will do to such weak lines... if you want proof. there will be your proof.

I'll wait. I'm not going to blame Abraham for the fact that the Falcons have played teams with poor OLs and he's taken advantage. If Gaines Adams and Peppers have more sacks at the end of the year, which appears to be the tell-all to most of you here, I'll talk then.
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Yeah. It's awesome. I could just say he leads the NFL in sacks for a DE, and be done with it, but I actually tried to show something else from what I've seen. Sorry.
well it wouldve brought the same results: absolutely nothing
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well it wouldve brought the same results: absolutely nothing

Exactly, so what magical thing are you looking for?
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Exactly, so what magical thing are you looking for?
An argument based on prove
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Guys give it up already.

One of you think Abraham is top notch, the other doesn't. One forms his opinion on numbers, the other forms it by watching football. Neither of you are gonna get anywhere with this.
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i think he is top notch. not the best
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An argument based on prove

And I've never said he's the best. He's been the best this year, half a season, yes. But the proof is in his sack totals. Once again, it's not his fault based on how the schedulers came up with what they did. Maybe if he gets 2-3 more sacks the rest of the season, fine, I'll agree. But I'm not going to fault the guy for taking advantage of what's been presented when he's also done it against teams like the Bucs and Packers.
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