Top Defensive End's in the NFL??

[Gay Ork Wang]

not the best this season, sry

[Thigamahjigee]

Originally Posted by awfullyquiet

The lions have been sacked 27 times, or 3 sacks per game (abe had 3). The Chiefs have been sacked 23 times, or 2.5 sacks per game (abe had 2). The Raiders have been sacked 22 times. or 2.5 times a game (abe had 3). Average NFL team's sacks allowed? 1.2 sacks per game?


I bet if atlanta played the patriots... abe would have a field day too. they've allowed 29 sacks on the year!

Anyway. do you understand the concept of the math? Abe beats up on the teams everyone already beats up on. If he's scoring the same number of sacks against the same teams that everyone is scoring the same number of sacks against...

So now I'm looking at this again, and I think I do understand the math. Basically what you are presenting is that Abraham has outsacked entire teams that have gone up against the Raiders, Lions, and almost the same as the Chiefs? Interesting.

[Number 10]

Originally Posted by Thigamahjigee

So now I'm looking at this again, and I think I do understand the math. Basically what you are presenting is that Abraham has outsacked entire teams that have gone up against the Raiders, Lions, and almost the same as the Chiefs? Interesting.

I actually thought the same things when I looked at that. Not sure what the point of that post was.

[Thigamahjigee]

Originally Posted by *** Ork Wang

not the best this season, sry

And look at all the proof you bring to the table as well!

[Gay Ork Wang]

Looking at the games, or even the highlights, u can see him 1vs1 a lot of times. Just look at the highlights of the Bears Atlanta game, u see him clearly 1vs1 on St.Clair, he brought some pressure, yes, but every good DE should against him. He is on a lot, and i mean alot of 1vs1 situations everytime u watch any highlights of him/the Falcons.

[Number 10]

You can't honestly base your opinion of a player on highlights.

[Gay Ork Wang]

thats why i also mentioned the bears/falcons game. I just mean all those plays on those highlights on NFL.com alone show u no double team at all, alot on the DT. I just watched The bears/packers/Tampa bay highlights

[Number 10]

If all you're watching is highlights...I'm sorry but your opinion of him means nothing.

[Thigamahjigee]

Originally Posted by *** Ork Wang

Looking at the games, or even the highlights, u can see him 1vs1 a lot of times. Just look at the highlights of the Bears Atlanta game, u see him clearly 1vs1 on St.Clair, he brought some pressure, yes, but every good DE should against him. He is on a lot, and i mean alot of 1vs1 situations everytime u watch any highlights of him/the Falcons.

You are watching highlights and you see him take advantage on 1 on 1 situations. Fans, and someone who watches the film like myself tells you that he's effective enough to bring pressure and attract double teams, and has been an strong run defender... what else do you want from him? The only possible thing I could see is that he doesn't play EVERY snap, but is from from a 3rd down only guy, and generally plays all the time in tight games.

[Gay Ork Wang]

Originally Posted by Thigamahjigee

You are watching highlights and you see him take advantage on 1 on 1 situations. Fans, and someone who watches the film like myself tells you that he's effective enough to bring pressure and attract double teams, and has been an strong run defender... what else do you want from him? The only possible thing I could see is that he doesn't play EVERY snap, but is from from a 3rd down only guy, and generally plays all the time in tight games.

no, i watch the highlights of the game, and all those passing attempts by the opposing team, scoring, for yards, or interceptions, u only see him 1vs1.

Im not basing my opinion of him of highlights. I saw the Bears vs Falcons game. I also saw the game against the eagles. All i am saying is that u hardly see him double teamed, just like a lot of other guys already stated

[Number 10]

Originally Posted by *** Ork Wang

no, i watch the highlights of the game, and all those passing attempts by the opposing team, scoring, for yards, or interceptions, u only see him 1vs1.

Im not basing my opinion of him of highlights. I saw the Bears vs Falcons game. I also saw the game against the eagles. All i am saying is that u hardly see him double teamed, just like a lot of other guys already stated

I watched the Eagles game too...and he was chip blocked all day.

[Thigamahjigee]

Originally Posted by Number 10

I watched the Eagles game too...and he was chip blocked all day.

That. Plus if you watched it, you would have heard the announcer even talking about what a tough time he was giving Thomas around the edge. That's one game in which I was thinking WTF, because he wasn't on the field enough IMO.

[Thigamahjigee]

Surprised this thread didn't get bumped back up. Speaking of surprises, I got one on Sunday. John Abraham had 9 quaterback hurries to go along with a sack. But wait? I thought that Abraham only beats up on teams with poor OT's or QB's who don't get rid of the ball quickly? It was pretty surprising to watch unfold.

[Gay Ork Wang]

Originally Posted by Thigamahjigee

Surprised this thread didn't get bumped back up. Speaking of surprises, I got one on Sunday. John Abraham had 9 quaterback hurries to go along with a sack. But wait? I thought that Abraham only beats up on teams with poor OT's or QB's who don't get rid of the ball quickly? It was pretty surprising to watch unfold.

again, any official prove for the hurries?

I still believe Abraham is a top5 DE this season, jsut to say he is the best of the bestest is foolish

[Thigamahjigee]

Originally Posted by *** Ork Wang

again, any official prove for the hurries?

I still believe Abraham is a top5 DE this season, jsut to say he is the best of the bestest is foolish

Not on me, but it's very easy to find or confirm. Anyone who watched the game on FOX would tell you that they posted a stat at towards end of the game which said something to the effect of 8 QB hurries, 3 QB hits, 1 sack.


How exactly is it foolish to call someone with the most sacks and hurries the best again?

[Gay Ork Wang]

he played guys that are basically garbage and got a lot of sacks. Look at what Julius Peppers did to Kwame.
I just fail to see how anyone could be clearcut #1

[Thigamahjigee]

Originally Posted by *** Ork Wang

he played guys that are basically garbage and got a lot of sacks. Look at what Julius Peppers did to Kwame.
I just fail to see how anyone could be clearcut #1

I was unaware that Chad Clifton and Jamaal Brown now qualify as garbage. Just about any QB other then Brees and Abraham had another sack or 2 easy.

[Gay Ork Wang]

clifton is garbage at least this year, the packers are in the top half for sacks allowed. yes Jamaal Brown is good. thats why Abraham is a TOP5 DE. Its like no one ever beat Jamaal Brown and gotten a sack off of it

P.S.: A higher power told me that ur mom dresses u funny

[Thigamahjigee]

Originally Posted by *** Ork Wang

clifton is garbage at least this year, the packers are in the top half for sacks allowed. yes Jamaal Brown is good. thats why Abraham is a TOP5 DE. Its like no one ever beat Jamaal Brown and gotten a sack off of it

Clifton has not been garbage. And are we really going to discredit a sack because the OT's been beaten before? I think we can throw out about every sack in the NFL this year then. Abraham manhandled Brown all game, and along with it took any threat of Shockey out of the game. And I wouldn't have cared one bit if Abraham didn't get a sack. He got pressure just about the entire game, and that's what counts for a DE.

[Gay Ork Wang]

yes and thats why he is a ******* Top 5 DE. Why does this warrant the best of the best of the ******* best?

Seriously ask any Packer fan, they gonna tell u how good Clifton and Tauscher have been

[Thigamahjigee]

Originally Posted by *** Ork Wang

yes and thats why he is a ******* Top 5 DE. Why does this warrant the best of the best of the ******* best?

Seriously ask any Packer fan, they gonna tell u how good Clifton and Tauscher have been

Maybe this warrants talking about him being the best, since this is a top defensive end in the NFL thread. I've seen Clifton and Tauscher play for my ownself. They've been far from garbage.

[Gay Ork Wang]

Because he had one great game?

[Thigamahjigee]

Originally Posted by *** Ork Wang

Because he had one great game?

One great game? I don't know how much longer I can hold this conversation. You are complaining about him only having good games against subpar tackles, and now with 11 sacks thus far he's only had one great game?

[Gay Ork Wang]

Originally Posted by Thigamahjigee

One great game? I don't know how much longer I can hold this conversation. You are complaining about him only having good games against subpar tackles, and now with 11 sacks thus far he's only had one great game?

i thought we are talking about the games besides KC, DET and OAK

he has been hardly anything special in the bears game as well as the Phillie Game just like the Panthers game

[Dr. Gonzo]

Clifton played fairly well in his first couple games but has been absolute **** since. To argue otherwise is blatant homerism, whether it be for the Packers or for the team who is getting sacks against him. Renji is right, every Packer fan will agree he has played terribly. Also, I have no clue what your argument is against Renji. Abraham is a top 5 DE this year, not the best.