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Old 11-04-2008, 08:41 PM    (permalink
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Knew I was forgetting someone. I'll put him at 15B. I'd love to see just how good he can be with a starting QB throwing to him. He surely proved last year he doesn't need the best QB play to be beastly.
That is approx where I would put him.

I can only imagine him with a capable QB.
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Andre Johnson to me is clearly the best wideout in the game today, it's truly a shame has has such inconsistent QB play, and is stuck on a poo team. These are my WR rankings:
(Rough, I'm sure I'm forgetting some guys, I had to go back and fiddle because I left some guys out)

1) Andre Johnson

I disagree. He's the top WR. 4.7 YAC, and an average of 900 yards/5TDs/13 YPC don't scream number one to me, and he doesn't pose the matchup disadvantage as Randy Moss does. He's elite, but he's not the top in my book.
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I disagree. He's the top WR. 4.7 YAC, and an average of 900 yards/5TDs/13 YPC don't scream number one to me, and he doesn't pose the matchup disadvantage as Randy Moss does. He's elite, but he's not the top in my book.
Stats only tell half the story. Do you watch him play at all or do you just look at stats?
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Andre Johnson to me is a mix of Anquan and Larry Fitzgerald. Not quite as good as Anquan after the catch, and doesn't quite of Fitz's hands and body control but he combines them with freakish speed and size and IMO he is the most dangerous wideout in the league.
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Stats only tell half the story. Do you watch him play at all or do you just look at stats?

Yes, but ugh. Get trashed for not using stats in one thing, and not in another. Did you not see the rest of the post? His rather subpar (for the supposed #1) stats combined with the fact that he isn't a Randy Moss esque matchup problem, would make me not declare him the best. Maybe if he puts up a few big yards seasons with TDs, and gets the best of his YAC ability, sure. At this point, he doesn't do that. I'd call him a great wideout. He's around top 5. I wouldn't put him one though. Even if we are just talking about young guys, I'd take Fitz over him in a second.
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plus he missed half a season last year? or 6 games?
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Yes, but ugh. Get trashed for not using stats in one thing, and not in another. Did you not see the rest of the post? His rather subpar (for the supposed #1) stats combined with the fact that he isn't a Randy Moss esque matchup problem, would make me not declare him the best. Maybe if he puts up a few big yards seasons with TDs, and gets the best of his YAC ability, sure. At this point, he doesn't do that. I'd call him a great wideout. He's around top 5. I wouldn't put him one though. Even if we are just talking about young guys, I'd take Fitz over him in a second.
well if u watched any of his game, you would know he has never had a dante culpepper or a tom brady thowing at him. Not trying to take away from randy.
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No order but top 5:

Andre Johnson, Steve Smith, Terrell Owens, Larry Fitgerald and Randy Moss
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well if u watched any of his game, you would know he has never had a dante culpepper or a tom brady thowing at him. Not trying to take away from randy.
Check out Roddy White's stats for example with a cluster of Redman/Leftwich/Harrington. Makes me cringe.
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These lists turn into a homer thread so fast. In that case,
Jordyzzz > Jennings > Everyone else
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I want to say Braylon but until he finds his hands again i can't :(
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I think the best two receivers in the game right now are Steve Smith and Randy Moss, I have in my next tier Wayne, Fitzgerald and TO and then emerging WRs as Jennings, White and Marshall.
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I agree with you about Randy, BlindSite.

I surprised to see him so far down on so many lists.
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Someone raised an interesting point to me the other day.

As of right now, through his Career Smith has amassed

464 receptions
6,540 yards
41 TDs

in 76 games of 104 (excluding his rookie season) which means he would've had 104 games. In that 28 games that he's missed based on his prior totals he should've been able to rack up

626
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55 tds

Which is above what randy moss produced in his first 6 years as a starting wide-out (77 TDs, 525 rec 8375 yards.) Its a shame he can't keep his temper in check when he needs to and has missed 18 games in 6 years through injury (lost an entire season in 04).

Not saying he's as good as Randy, just interesting to see what could've been had things fallen into place a little better. That being said checking back over Randy's stats makes me realise just how truly special as a WR he has been.
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I agree with you about Randy, BlindSite.

I surprised to see him so far down on so many lists.
Randy is overwhelmingly good at his 'niche' of being a receiver. Maybe i'm looking at who's the best all around receiver in the league right now... but as far as production goes... Moss is second to none. Does that make him the best in my opinion? no.

Why? Because, he plays great when he wants to. Randy being Randy.
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Randy is overwhelmingly good at his 'niche' of being a receiver. Maybe i'm looking at who's the best all around receiver in the league right now... but as far as production goes... Moss is second to none. Does that make him the best in my opinion? no.

Why? Because, he plays great when he wants to. Randy being Randy.
No argument here. He is nowhere close to being the best "all around" receiver. I just figured some of the great "all around" guys would produce better.

His reluctance to venture across the middle, block, and try in general take him out of the top 3 or 4.....but like top 7 or 8? Nah.

FWIW, I hate these kinds of lists. Especially those that don't specify what we should base our rankings off of. Talent? production? etc.

Just fairly baseless discussion. (but a good time filler)

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True, but your addition statement would just be wrong. But I understand what you mean. Andre Johnson is just a flat out beast at everything. I love how he can take short passes the distance, make some good catches, and burn a defense for a long TD.

And not every Falcons fan is making White out to be the next Rice. Dont confuse iloxygenil for every Falcons fan.
**** you, honestly **** you. I never said he was the next Rice, but he's the top 5 in the NFL this year, he was top 8 last year. He belongs in the top 10, and the lists that are up there that exclude him completely in a 'top wideouts in the NFL' thread are a joke. I'm not saying he's 'elite' yet because by MY description of elite, Roddy is on his way but hasn't reached it because he's not produced consistently for long enough.

Andre Johnson when healthy is insane, Larry Fitzgerald gets much deserved love, but the other overlooked wideout most of the time is Anquan Boldin (the guy who plays most like Rice of any of these WRs) being that he's got incredible hands, and not great timed speed, but he has that speed where he'll never be caught once he breaks free.

Roddy has to get credit as one of the best blockers from the WR position, he's not delivering the blows like Hines Ward, but he's always getting his guy out of the play (sometimes too much and gets his hands too far outside for holding)

But you don't get to decide what I think, I'm very clear on what I think, and it's numbskulls like you who misconstrue my words into what they aren't. Top 5 WRs THIS Year, Roddy has to be mentioned, but top over the last 5 years...

In no particular order.

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10.) Plaxico

But that's just offensively, overall, as a blocker and stuff, it would shake the list up pretty significantly.
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no Tyler Thigpen on any lists. :(
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You're right, and I'll be adequately punished for it, but I'm sick of people telling me how much I'm wrong, and how much I say things I never do. It's beyond annoying.
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Instead of nice you could have said kind.
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Fair enough...
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No argument here. He is nowhere close to being the best "all around" receiver. I just figured some of the great "all around" guys would produce better.

His reluctance to venture across the middle, block, and try in general take him out of the top 3 or 4.....but like top 7 or 8? Nah.
Or try sometimes?

I think part randy's still success lies in the ability of wes welker make anyone look better even if he himself isn't absolutely great and last year especially, tom brady to deliver. randy i think is better than great when he has a great qb throwing him the ball. no man misses tom brady like randy moss.

edit: i knew i left someone off my list. plax!
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I think some people here honestly think that if your bigger and faster then that makes you a better WR...Reggie Wayne hasn't shown up on enough list for me, Cris Carter wasn't 230 and didn't run a 4.2 but that didn't stop him from being one of the most gifted WR's ever, same with Lynn Swann.


Tier 1
Steve Smith
Larry Fitzgerald
Anquan Boldin
Randy Moss
Andre Johnson
Reggie Wayne
Chad Johnson
Greg Jennings
Roddy White



The last 2 guys you could say are pre-mature and that's fine, but I think next year they will be considered there so I don't have any problem putting them there...Both Roddy and Jennings can take over a game the same way an elite WR can, and are complete WR's.


Funny how Chad Johnson can average 90 receptions, 1300 yards, and 8 TD's over a 6 year span but one off-season of running his mouth too much and playing on a dysfunctional team people act like he forgot how to play WR...It's just funny to see guys jump around on people's list judging by who is hot right now, when some of these other guys can stay healthy enough(ie Andre Johnson) to produce like Chad over 6 years then you can sing his praises, just being big and fast isn't the end of the conversation for me.


A fluke doesn't happen over 6 years, especially when you take into account he was the #1 WR and faced double coverage week in and week out...Alot of these other guys are wildly inconsistent but just have the measurables that everyone loves.
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