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Old 11-05-2008, 11:03 AM    (permalink
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Tier 1
Steve Smith
Larry Fitzgerald
Anquan Boldin
Randy Moss
Andre Johnson
Reggie Wayne
Chad Johnson
Greg Jennings
Roddy White
Just for this year?
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Old 11-05-2008, 11:08 AM    (permalink
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meeeh i wouldnt rank Chad Johnson as a tier 1 WR, not this year
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meeeh i wouldnt rank Chad Johnson as a tier 1 WR, not this year
this isn't a year to year game.

as far as 'best' goes. COCrappa is by far a tier 1 receiver...

i'm also highly adement about putting witten and clark in as WR's... because, basically they're WR's who block. like TE's who catch.
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Just for this year?
No, definately not, I'm not counting guys like Chad who are affected by the QB play, O-line play, etc because he has proven over time he's a tier 1 WR, I'll believe he is still as such until he consistently falls off...I would feel the same about Santana Moss if he was as consistent as Chad has been.
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No argument here. He is nowhere close to being the best "all around" receiver. I just figured some of the great "all around" guys would produce better.

His reluctance to venture across the middle, block, and try in general take him out of the top 3 or 4.....but like top 7 or 8? Nah.

FWIW, I hate these kinds of lists. Especially those that don't specify what we should base our rankings off of. Talent? production? etc.

Just fairly baseless discussion. (but a good time filler)

I still put Moss number 1. I don't really care that he doesn't go over the middle. When you are as good as he is at what he does, why bother doing anything else? It's not really needed. I know he hasn't been overly impressive this year, but I still haven't see a WR who teams have to plan for more.
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Tier 1
Larry Fitzgerald
Reggie Wayne
Anquan Boldin
Randy Moss
Andre Johnson
Steve Smith

Tier 2
Terrell Owens
Greg Jennings
Roddy White
Plaxico Burress
TJ Houshmandzadeh

Tier 3
Calvin Johnson
Lee Evans
Santana Moss
Hines Ward
Brandon Marshall
Chad Ocho Cinco
Brandon Marshall
Dwaye Bowe
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You have Derrick Mason and Hines Ward ahead of Braylon Edwards? Larf.

Brandon Marshall is on there twice.
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You have Derrick Mason and Hines Ward ahead of Braylon Edwards? Larf.

Brandon Marshall is on there twice.
Braylon Edwards wouldn't make a top 50 list for me. The guy has dropped over 14 passes through eight games. He's been beyond horrible this year.
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Tier 1
Larry Fitzgerald
Reggie Wayne
Anquan Boldin
Randy Moss
Andre Johnson
Steve Smith

Tier 2
Terrell Owens
Greg Jennings
Roddy White
Plaxico Burress
TJ Houshmandzadeh

Tier 3
Calvin Johnson
Lee Evans
Santana Moss
Hines Ward
Brandon Marshall
Chad Ocho Cinco
Brandon Marshall
Dwaye Bowe
Derrick Mason
I'd switch Megatron and Burress. I'm not sure what Mason has done to earn tier 3 over Driver. Is that my homer speaking or is that legit?
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where's the love for D Bowe.look at his numbers then look at the QB's.pretty impressive
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Braylon Edwards wouldn't make a top 50 list for me. The guy has dropped over 14 passes through eight games. He's been beyond horrible this year.
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd now you're exaggerating.
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where's the love for D Bowe.look at his numbers then look at the QB's.pretty impressive
When your 1-7 people don't watch you play he is middle of the pack to me and in time will be top 10.

Its so hard to pick a top WR so many great players its hard to judge with some having better QB's then others.
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This year, unquestionably... the title belongs to this man


Here are my reasons.
1. His quarterback is Jake Delhomme. This is not a hampering problem, yet it is certainly not a boost. A wide receiver can only catch as many balls as the quarterback makes catchable.

2. If you're a stats guy, his lowest yard total this year is 70 yards. He's been held under 90 yards once... that first game. in his last 5 games, has a catch of at least 38 yards. Besides Greg Jennings, he averages the most yards per catch in that 1st tier) and Steve is flatout playing better then even Greg when you look at averages.

3. Who can cover him? He's a small guy, but he is all of the things you love in one package. He doesn't lack anything. He's electrifying, can take it to the house at any moment, has solid hands, can break tackles, get the YAC, and isn't afraid to go over the middle. He gets off the line faster then any receiver in the game.

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Here are my reasons.
1. His quarterback is Jake Delhomme. This is not a hampering problem, yet it is certainly not a boost. A wide receiver can only catch as many balls as the quarterback makes catchable.

2. If you're a stats guy, his lowest yard total this year is 70 yards. He's been held under 90 yards once... that first game. in his last 5 games, has a catch of at least 38 yards. Besides Greg Jennings, he averages the most yards per catch in that 1st tier) and Steve is flatout playing better then even Greg when you look at averages.

3. Who can cover him? He's a small guy, but he is all of the things you love in one package. He doesn't lack anything. He's electrifying, can take it to the house at any moment, has solid hands, can break tackles, get the YAC, and isn't afraid to go over the middle. He gets off the line faster then any receiver in the game.

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Johnson is #1 so far this year. Smith is killing it though, there's no doubt about that. But you knock Delhomme here, all the guy does is target Smith. So I don't think that's going to hamper him in any way statistically speaking. Johnson is doing it on a sub par team with a mesh of quarterbacks. Anquan Boldin also this year aside from when he was in the hospital has torn everyone apart. The guy just catches touchdowns constantly and I'd put him over Smith, especially because of his character, the guy wants to get paid, did what he was supposed to do, tried to get it handled in the offseason, but went to work, and has dominated this year without the contract he deserves. Class act.

Don't get me wrong, Smith is a top 5 guy, but to me he's not #1, although playing him in a few weeks doesn't look all that great to me, I'm just glad Grimes won't be the one matching up with Mushin forcing us to shade to his side too much and letting Smith eat us up again. So by no means am I saying I want to face Steve Smith or he's not a threat, but he's not the #1 WR in the NFL.
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Johnson is #1 so far this year. Smith is killing it though, there's no doubt about that. But you knock Delhomme here, all the guy does is target Smith. So I don't think that's going to hamper him in any way statistically speaking. Johnson is doing it on a sub par team with a mesh of quarterbacks.
Delhomme isn't that much of a lock on QB, Muhummad, Jarrett and Hackett (when healthy) have seen their fair share of balls. Its a push, as good as Delhomme can be, there's times when he's inaccurate and jumpy in the pocket. He's a solid QB, but it isn't really a boost like Brady is for Welker or a detraction like Orlovsky is for Johnson.

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Anquan Boldin also this year aside from when he was in the hospital has torn everyone apart. The guy just catches touchdowns constantly and I'd put him over Smith, especially because of his character, the guy wants to get paid, did what he was supposed to do, tried to get it handled in the offseason, but went to work, and has dominated this year without the contract he deserves. Class act.
Boldin cannot and does not change a game like Smith can, nor has he ever had to carry an offense like Smith has. I like Boldin a lot and he belongs in the same tier, but as far as being a higher character guy, or a more valuable receiver, I don't believe so. Hell, he's not even the best or most valuable receiver on his own team.

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Don't get me wrong, Smith is a top 5 guy, but to me he's not #1, although playing him in a few weeks doesn't look all that great to me, I'm just glad Grimes won't be the one matching up with Mushin forcing us to shade to his side too much and letting Smith eat us up again. So by no means am I saying I want to face Steve Smith or he's not a threat, but he's not the #1 WR in the NFL.
Its hard to make a case for many being better other than Randy Moss.
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Johnson, Fitzgerald and Jennings are great receivers, but Smith is the receiver I want in a big game. Moss disappeared last year in the playoffs despite being on the most loaded offense.

No one works harder every play or is more intense than Steve Smith (he does try to block), other guys may have better size but what he does in terms of taking on defenders and not going down is 100% mentality, and it makes him extremely unique. Other receivers have their freakish size, but Smith's asset is how intense he is (though it has gotten him in trouble a few times).

Of course other people have different preferences, I just get tired of seeing guys like Harrison and Moss last year disappear in the playoffs. Now, I realize that Fitzgerald, Boldin and Johnson haven't had chances yet, I don't think they would vanish like some others. I hope those guys get a chance to play on a big stage, it looks like Fitz and Boldin will this season.
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Roddy White is number one guys. Get with it!
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**** you, honestly **** you. I never said he was the next Rice, but he's the top 5 in the NFL this year, he was top 8 last year. He belongs in the top 10, and the lists that are up there that exclude him completely in a 'top wideouts in the NFL' thread are a joke. I'm not saying he's 'elite' yet because by MY description of elite, Roddy is on his way but hasn't reached it because he's not produced consistently for long enough.

Andre Johnson when healthy is insane, Larry Fitzgerald gets much deserved love, but the other overlooked wideout most of the time is Anquan Boldin (the guy who plays most like Rice of any of these WRs) being that he's got incredible hands, and not great timed speed, but he has that speed where he'll never be caught once he breaks free.

Roddy has to get credit as one of the best blockers from the WR position, he's not delivering the blows like Hines Ward, but he's always getting his guy out of the play (sometimes too much and gets his hands too far outside for holding)

But you don't get to decide what I think, I'm very clear on what I think, and it's numbskulls like you who misconstrue my words into what they aren't. Top 5 WRs THIS Year, Roddy has to be mentioned, but top over the last 5 years...

In no particular order.

1.) Randy Moss
2.) Andre Johnson
3.) Larry Fitzgerald
4.) Steve Smith
5.) Anquan Boldin
6.) Chad Johnson
7.) Reggie Wayne
8.) Marvin Harrison
9.) TO
10.) Plaxico

But that's just offensively, overall, as a blocker and stuff, it would shake the list up pretty significantly.
Okay.

You seriously need to stop getting your panties up in a bunch every time someone disagrees with you. You need to take a step back and look at situations from an objective point of view. You are easily one of the most subjective and biased posters on this board and continuously make a big deal out of someone elses' differing opinion. Instead of trying to refute their facts, you just call people 'tools' and think that some of the reasons for not reading your posts is because of 'stupidity and shortsightedness.' And while you may start off your argument with that, the rest of your statements have hardly any facts or evidence to back it up and are based merely off conjecture.

Sorry for making it seem as if you specifically made Roddy White out to be the next Jerry Rice. Instead of saying "**** you" and neg repping me and calling me a "disgrace" you could have have just pointed out that you never compared the 2 WRs.
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You have Derrick Mason and Hines Ward ahead of Braylon Edwards? Larf.

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Help if Edwards could catch when he's wide open. IMO only thing stoppin him from being a top 5 WR. Great size, speed, athleticism, cant catch.
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Help if Edwards could catch when he's wide open. IMO only thing stoppin him from being a top 5 WR. Great size, speed, athleticism, cant catch.
Yea... about that, kinda a big deal when your WR
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Yea... about that, kinda a big deal when your WR
Yeah, you would be surprised how many receivers lack this key skill ...

Braylon will bounce back though. He's just pressing a bit. Okay more than a bit.
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Hopefully with Braylon its just a temporary case of the dropsies, once you get a few it gets in your head and you start pressing and overthinking, Terrel Owens had a terrible case his first year in Dallas (as well as a pinkie injury) he should bounce back and plays more like he did last year. Having said that i hate the browns and wouldent mind if its a permanent Knoblauch type problem :).
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Braylon did score 16 times last season and is still an elite deep threat, to say he's not a tier 2 receiver or at least tier 3 is quite bad. TO has led the league numerous times in dropped passes yet he's an elite receiver. I'm not saying Braylon is a good as that nor am I saying his drops are ok but he's shown that he can be an elite WR, he just needs to focus more.
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I'd switch Megatron and Burress. I'm not sure what Mason has done to earn tier 3 over Driver. Is that my homer speaking or is that legit?
Just wondering but what has megatron done in the NFL to be ranked higher than Plax? I know plax hasn't dominated every week this season but he's gotten results more regularly than Megatron and while his QB isn't a detractor, eli really does spread the ball a lot and we are a run first team. I loved calvin as a prospect, one of my favorites I've ever seen, but in the NFL so far he does not deserve to be in tier two over plax.
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