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Old 11-04-2008, 12:42 PM    (permalink
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What an awful player. I thought he'd suck last year because he was a lazy player who wanted to get by on skills. I think I had him ranked around #60-70 in my rankings. And he's not even earning that, from the looks of it.

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Eh, pacman had some of those his rookie year. He gave better effort in his second year.
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Hahaha I was watching the game and they showed that replay about 4 times. He was scared sh**less of contact the whole game. He makes Deion Sanders look like Dick Butkus.
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That's pretty bad.. The whole lack of effort is what drives coaches nuts. If you lack talent, fine, but if you have talent, but lack heart or motivation then that truly is sad.
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He doesn't lack motivation or effort in coverage, which is his main job. He can work on the tackling. He's pretty good at what he does, and that's covering his guy.
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He doesn't lack motivation or effort in coverage, which is his main job. He can work on the tackling. He's pretty good at what he does, and that's covering his guy.
Silly me. I thought his main job was to prevent people from scoring touchdowns.
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Awful player because he pussed out on tackling a guy, down by 14 with about 5 min to play and that team driving.

I wouldn't throw my body in there either.

He's a *****, but he's a smart *****.

I mean really, what does he have to prove at that point in the game? He blew up Earnest Graham last week. He isn't afraid of contact when it counts. It didn't matter here. Why would a small corner even risk having something happen with the game out of reach?

If he got injured we would literally be down to nothing in the secondary. We would be starting scraps.

I'd say he's had some rookie struggles this year and he's also had some great plays (amazing pass break up against philly, pick 6 on eli, played a shutdown game against tampa)

but all Rookies struggle at CB.

Ill tell you this much, I wouldn't take any of the other 1st round cb's in place of him at this point. None of them have separated themselves from the pack.

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He doesn't lack motivation or effort in coverage, which is his main job. He can work on the tackling. He's pretty good at what he does, and that's covering his guy.
True, but that was pretty sad that he didn't even attempt to stick his neck out. It's not like you can say he tried and missed due to poor technique. He just didn't try, and that to me is inexcusable.
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Awful player because he pussed out on tackling a guy, down by 14 with about 5 min to play and that team driving.

I wouldn't throw my body in there either.

He's a *****, but he's a smart *****.

I mean really, what does he have to prove at that point in the game? He blew up Earnest Graham last week. He isn't afraid of contact when it counts. It didn't matter here. Why would a small corner even risk having something happen with the game out of reach?

If he got injured we would literally be down to nothing in the secondary. We would be starting scraps.

I'd say he's had some rookie struggles this year and he's also had some great plays (amazing pass break up against philly, pick 6 on eli, played a shutdown game against tampa)

but all Rookies struggle at CB.

Ill tell you this much, I wouldn't take any of the other 1st round cb's in place of him at this point. None of them have separated themselves from the pack.
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Awful player because he pussed out on tackling a guy, down by 14 with about 5 min to play and that team driving.

I wouldn't throw my body in there either.

He's a *****, but he's a smart *****.

I mean really, what does he have to prove at that point in the game? He blew up Earnest Graham last week. He isn't afraid of contact when it counts. It didn't matter here. Why would a small corner even risk having something happen with the game out of reach?

If he got injured we would literally be down to nothing in the secondary. We would be starting scraps.

I'd say he's had some rookie struggles this year and he's also had some great plays (amazing pass break up against philly, pick 6 on eli, played a shutdown game against tampa)

but all Rookies struggle at CB.

Ill tell you this much, I wouldn't take any of the other 1st round cb's in place of him at this point. None of them have separated themselves from the pack.
I think Aqib has certainly separated himself a little. Nobody in Tampa is complaining about having him as equal 1st for rookie INT's with Brandon Flowers.
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What an awful player. I thought he'd suck last year because he was a lazy player who wanted to get by on skills. I think I had him ranked around #60-70 in my rankings. And he's not even earning that, from the looks of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1Lpa9v1L2k
While Jenkins effort is inexcusable, that doesn't make him an awful player. That's just being lazy, it's not a lack of skill. He's still young and will learn you play every down in the NFL, no matter how badly you're gettin beaten or how big the guy comin at you is.
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That's a business decision, though it wasn't Jacobs carrying the ball.
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Lack of effort? The Cowboys?

No way, they came to play Sunday!
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I think Aqib has certainly separated himself a little. Nobody in Tampa is complaining about having him as equal 1st for rookie INT's with Brandon Flowers.

Yeah. I've been impressed with Aqib quite a bit.
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I'm happy the Bucs didn't select Jenkins. To say the least.
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He doesn't lack motivation or effort in coverage, which is his main job. He can work on the tackling. He's pretty good at what he does, and that's covering his guy.
His main job is to play football. He didn't get a contract to cover WRs.

The best part of his game may be covering the WR, but thats not at all an excuse to not care about a tackle. Its one thing to get trucked or juked out after trying to tackle a guy, but not even to try is something else.

If he can't be motivated to do that, then I would have to question his motivation about football. I know I am overblowing this thing, but if you are not motivated in one aspect of the game, you are not going to be the best you can be.
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What has Talib done? Picked off a tipped ball and a couple others? Played in a tamp 2 with safeties covering his ass allowing him to play in the only system in which he could succeed?

He's done good with what hes been asked to do, but it's not like he's done anything special.

He certainly wouldn't fit in dallas where you have to worry about roy williams behind you and playing 12 yards off your man.

I still don't think any cb has done anything at this point to say "wow this guy was a great pick" and I don't believe you can for at least another year. Only Flowers is starting, Talib, Jenkins, McKelvin, and Cason are all playin spot duty.

Then Jenkins comes in and doesn't tackle a guy at the end of a lost game? Big deal. I personally dont care if he didn't. Our CB depth is ****. I wouldn't even be surprised if coach cream puff told the cb's not to take unnecessary risks.
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His main job is to play football. He didn't get a contract to cover WRs.

The best part of his game may be covering the WR, but thats not at all an excuse to not care about a tackle. Its one thing to get trucked or juked out after trying to tackle a guy, but not even to try is something else.

If he can't be motivated to do that, then I would have to question his motivation about football. I know I am overblowing this thing, but if you are not motivated in one aspect of the game, you are not going to be the best you can be.
And of course we've all come to the realization that one play that's highlighted by Cowboys haters is reason enough to completely label a guy as a lack of effort type, right? Geezus people, watch him play before you open your yap.
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And of course we've all come to the realization that one play that's highlighted by Cowboys haters is reason enough to completely label a guy as a lack of effort type, right? Geezus people, watch him play before you open your yap.
I am not a Cowboy hater and I dont want to label him as a lack of effort type player, but that play is really disappointing from the viewpoint of a person who enjoys the NFL. You hate to see a guy who doesn't give it his all for 60 minutes on Sunday.
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It's not homer.

I mean look at this thread. Determining the quality of a player over 1 play?

So lets say no attention was ever brought to this specific play and instead I posted a video of his pick6 earlier in the game and made a thread called: Mike Jenkins "Ballhawk extraordinaire"

He and Scandrick have both played well for Rookies. To be completely honest, they've both played better than Anthony Henry. Teams look his way first.
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I never said he is horrible. But Talib has been better than Jenkins
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Originally Posted by d34ng3l021 View Post
I am not a Cowboy hater and I dont want to label him as a lack of effort type player, but that play is really disappointing from the viewpoint of a person who enjoys the NFL. You hate to see a guy who doesn't give it his all for 60 minutes on Sunday.
When teams are getting their asses kicked with no hope and crap at QB, you'd see this on a lot of teams.

Hell, even Randy Moss still disappears. Guys stop running as hard, people look to protect themselves.

Tell me what he gets out of getting run over by Ward with 5 min left in a game which is out of reach? It's the same thing as Brady or Manning going down after only being barely touched -- They're protecting themselves from unnecessary risk.
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