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Old 11-04-2008, 09:53 PM    (permalink
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The reason I want him on the Saints is due to our completely crappy depth in the secondary. Him and Mike McKenzie would be very good together.
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Obviously Davis takes the hit for the signing bonuses, but like with Hall, could save millions by cutting a player like Walker after his first season (presumably before additional roster bonuses kick in). Maybe that was the old dog's plan all along.
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Obviously Davis takes the hit for the signing bonuses, but like with Hall, could save millions by cutting a player like Walker after his first season (presumably before additional roster bonuses kick in). Maybe that was the old dog's plan all along.
If that's the truth, Al wouldn't have talked Walker out of retiring when Javon offered to before the season started.
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GettingDeAngelo Hall- 7 years, 70 million dollars
Giving Javon Walker a shot- 6 years, 50 million dollars
Giving Tommy Kelly a new contract- 7 years, 50.5 million dollars
Signing Gibril Wilson- 6 years, 39 million dollars

Watching the Raiders fail... Priceless
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Next- Darren McFadden?
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That is fantastic news as long as we keep Asomugha.
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As for Baltimore fans I don't know how well Fabs is doing but if you had to ask me whos the better corner I'd take Fabs anyday over this loser.
100% true. Fabian played way better than Hall.
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GettingDeAngelo Hall- 7 years, 70 million dollars
Giving Javon Walker a shot- 6 years, 50 million dollars
Giving Tommy Kelly a new contract- 7 years, 50.5 million dollars
Signing Gibril Wilson- 6 years, 39 million dollars

Watching the Raiders fail... Priceless
Claiming Raiders had the best secondary = priceless

But i cant talk either because i said the same about the chargers :[

I blame cottrell
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I have only seen one Raider game this year but has Hall really been THIS bad?
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Haha. Not even close. Hall's still a big time corner although he hasn't played like one this season. How quickly people forget how great he was. He's still very young, and this would be a humbling experience, I'd imagine, which would be good for Hall.
Still a big time corner? You are a fool. Obviously you haven't witnessed his 15 yrd cushion - I could catch button hook after button hook against this guy. He is a *****, can't man up on anybody for ****. He is a weak tackler. All of his picks have been bad overthrows where DeAngelo was lurking BEHIND the reciever, or tipped balls. I have yet to see him keep tight man coverage on a receiver and make a good break on the ball. He is terrible.

Can't play with him. Can't win with him. Can't do it.

We should release him based on this fact: "NFL.com reported the move to waive him now helps the Raiders avoid paying Hall $16 million worth of injury-guaranteed bonuses in his contract.

We also will probably release Javon Walker thank God. Funny seeing how these are two of the moves Kiffin disagreed with the most.
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They could always cut him after the season, and not be on the hook for any guaranteed money. Just the base salary for the rest of this season only.

At least I think that is how it would/will be.


Btw, I can't be the only one who thought Dallas?
We were interested partially when he was on the block, but at this point HIGHLY doubt it, I think even Jerry knows when enough is enough but thats just me...I'm sure he was tempted to get Randy Moss too, and Chris Henry, but he knows when it's overkill.
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I'm still saying Patriots. They could use him and he would perform for a contender.
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I'm still saying Patriots. They could use him and he would perform for a contender.
But does he fit the system?
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He doesn't fit any system that requires him to match up one on one at the line of scrimmage. He is simply not physical and I'm serious when I say that if its 3rd and 7, DeAngelo Fall will be playing 15 yds off his man, and allow a first down 9 times out of 10.
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Maybe in Oakland. He was good to great in Atlanta in 2005 and 2007. In 2007 he was a top five cornerback.
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Maybe in Oakland. He was good to great in Atlanta in 2005 and 2007. In 2007 he was a top five cornerback.
Oakland is a solid barometer of how great a corner is - if you can't play man-to-man, you should be a safety.
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Ok dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. He may have played bad in Oakland, but he was great in Atlanta. 2005 and 2006 we ran a lot of zone. He was good in it in 2005, not in 2006. Then we hired Zimmer from Dallas in 2007 and ran a ton of man. Hall absolutely dominated.

He was better in man for us than zone. Maybe he played horrible in Oakland due to him not performing. Maybe it was coaching. Maybe it was both. But he has played at a high level before. He isn't a trash player.
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I think if you place Hall on a winning team, he will become a top player and try. I would love for the Steelers to get him, but not for the money he is looking for. In that case, I pass.
No way the steelers would ever sign a headcase like Hall
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All the action was coming Hall's way. Nobody throws to Nnamdi. He knew it was coming and couldn't do anything about it. I don't care how he played in Atlanta, I care about where a player is right now, and right now Hall is garbage. When you're a corner playing in a system where you are constantly manned up and constantly are losing the one-on-one battle, there is nobody to blame but yourself.
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I can't believe you guys are saying stuff like "If he went to a good team he'd try and be a good player" corner is the most individual position in the game. It's not like the Randy Moss situation where nobody could get him the ball, then when he got to a team that had TOM BRADY he started trying.
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Javon Walker will be released soon probably.
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There is no question in my mind Hall is a 'soft' player who unfortunately lacks the mental part of the game to go along with his elite talent that will forever hold him back from greatness. The skill is still there although it obviously wasn’t so apparent in his now short stint in Oakland.

Part of the blame must still go to Rob Ryan here, imo. Has he been absolutely terrible this season ? Yes and no. We saw brief spurts where it maybe looked as if he could at the very least be a serviceable corner for this team. I sincerely always feel for whomever must be placed across from Aso however it is no excuse for this unforeseen dropoff in play.

As for his next destination, at first thought Baltimore or Washington logically appears to be a great fit. On the flip side you just never know if an owner like Jerry Jones decides to put his name in the hat again for yet another big name corner.
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Hall gets cut someone will pick him up even if he sucks. Maybe he just needs a team with a pass rush or someone to get on him.

Possible teams for next season
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You could always add him for TC in the offseason get him on as a third stringer.


And Javon just sucks when are the going to drop him like its hot.
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I'm still saying Patriots. They could use him and he would perform for a contender.
I'm not 100% on this, but if a player is released from a contract during the season he is placed on Waivers. The teams with the worst records would have first bid, and if they pass it would go to the next record, ect. ect. I remember when the Broncos released Lenny Walls, all the Pats fans were upset that they couldn't sign him because of the waiver.

I find it hard to believe that D-Hall would clear waivers long enough for a team with as good a record as the Patriots to be able to grab him.
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