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Old 12-22-2008, 06:05 PM    (permalink
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I'm with you. A lot of LSU fans aren't too receptive to him because he doesn't blitz every down (we have a dumb fan base) but Chavis is the prototype of a guy that tunes his defense based on his personnel. He doesn't even really have a scheme..when he's got the guys to allow him to be aggressive he's aggressive and when he doesn't they're a little more conservative.

I like him a lot. Couple him with Ed Orgeron coaching up the DL and it's a vast improvement over the debacle we had this season.
yea this season i promise man i can't even breakdown what happened to you guess on defense, it just went BAD. i tell you what though, i would LOVE to have Patrick Peterson in a Gators uniform because i'm high on him. i think he's going to be an All American and first rounder before it's all said and done. i don't know how Urban let him get away
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I'm not sure what happened myself. The defense was confused all year..the plays got in late and guys didn't know where to line up. The defensive coaches we have don't teach fundamentals at all and it really showed this year when some guys with no experience had to be put into the starting lineup.

I think Doug Mallory could be a good DC eventually, but he's burned his bridges at LSU. Same for Peveto..even though he really wasn't the DC except for his title (peveto ran a pretty aggressive scheme when he was a DC at Northwestern State and at Houston).

A lot of guys on LSU's defense seemed to just quit after the frustration built with the staff. There are a lot of bad attitudes on that team and I think we're going to see a lot of guys either make the necessary dedication or not be on the team next year.

Peterson looked pretty damn good out there for a true freshman this year, especially playing in that pathetic scheme we had. I'd like to see what he can do with a real DC coaching him..but he has rare skills.
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Notre Dame OC, Mike Haywood, was named Miami (OH) head coach.
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Interesting hire. That's another minority hire, and at a private yuppy college like Miami (OH) no less.

Being associated with the Notre Dame offense isn't a mark of distinction right now, but he was in charge of recruiting at Texas after Tim Brewster left and I know had a big hand in developing Cedric Benson.

I have a casual acquaintance who recently committed to Miami to play quarterback, I'll have to get his opinion on the hire.
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Notre Dame OC, Mike Haywood, was named Miami (OH) head coach.
The same OC who doesn't call plays?

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The same OC who doesn't call plays?

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You don't know if he'd be calling plays if it weren't for Weis's super ego though.
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You don't know if he'd be calling plays if it weren't for Weis's super ego though.
Fair enough. Though his offense wasn't doing **** before Weis' huge ego made him start calling plays.
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Just because someone isn't suited to be an OC at Notre Dame doesn't mean they can't be a head coach at a MAC school.

He could have gotten the job just based on his work at Texas and LSU alone. The great Turner Gill had never even held a coordinator job before he was hired at Buffalo.
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We are now up to 6 black head coaches. I'm waiting for the day when people start complaining about the lack of Hispanic or Asian head coaches
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We are now up to 6 black head coaches. I'm waiting for the day when people start complaining about the lack of Hispanic or Asian head coaches
Where are the Native American head coaches?
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haywood actually did most of the play calling this season. Weis just took over when haywood had to go away for personal reasons. I just hope he takes latina along with him ;)
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I didn't actually think Orgeron would land at Michigan. I just want Orgeron.
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We are now up to 6 black head coaches. I'm waiting for the day when people start complaining about the lack of Hispanic or Asian head coaches

It's not a matter of minority, it's a matter of 90% of the players being black yet we only have 6 black head coaches.
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It's not a matter of minority, it's a matter of 90% of the players being black yet we only have 6 black head coaches.
90% is a gross over-exaggeration.

And to be fair, the black head coaches haven't done too well for themselves at the college level. We'll see how Shannon does over the next couple years. Being a great person and a great recruiter doesn't always win games.
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It's not a matter of minority, it's a matter of 90% of the players being black yet we only have 6 black head coaches.
We as the general public can't speak upon why there are only 6 black head coaches right now. It could be that hell, they're just not good HC's, or it could be that they're not given a chance. Whatever the reasoning is, it shouldn't matter because we all should believe that the best man for the job should get the job.
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We as the general public can't speak upon why there are only 6 black head coaches right now. It could be that hell, they're just not good HC's, or it could be that they're not given a chance. Whatever the reasoning is, it shouldn't matter because we all should believe that the best man for the job should get the job.
Gene Chizik's hiring raises concerns about whether or not that's true. If Turner Gill wanted that Auburn job he should have got it.

Whether race is involved or not, it's naive to think that the best man gets the job every time. Friendships, connections, emotions, bias and other stupid little factors may get in the way.
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Gene Chizik's hiring raises concerns about whether or not that's true. If Turner Gill wanted that Auburn job he should have got it.

Whether race is involved or not, it's naive to think that the best man gets the job every time. Friendships, connections, emotions, bias and other stupid little factors may get in the way.
When I said best man for the job I meant factoring in connections, relationships, etc, the total package, not just the best coach.

Sorry for the confusion.
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Gene Chizik's hiring raises concerns about whether or not that's true. If Turner Gill wanted that Auburn job he should have got it.

Whether race is involved or not, it's naive to think that the best man gets the job every time. Friendships, connections, emotions, bias and other stupid little factors may get in the way.
In Chizkik's defense, he has ties to Auburn and recruiting in the south while Turner Gill does not. Gill may be a better coach but he is a stranger to many in the south while Chizik probably still has some high school coach connections.
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We as the general public can't speak upon why there are only 6 black head coaches right now. It could be that hell, they're just not good HC's, or it could be that they're not given a chance. Whatever the reasoning is, it shouldn't matter because we all should believe that the best man for the job should get the job.
Of course we can speak on it, and we should speak on it. Anyone that is concerned with fairness and racial equality should at the very least demand a more open hiring process for what are in theory public jobs.

To say that it shouldn't matter "whatever the reason" because we should all just believe that whoever is hired gets it based on something other than race is to basically say that you could care less. A lot of people do care, and they expect better. Your position is ridiculously naive.
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Not that I don't think there is a lack of minority coaching in all sports, there is, but the way that every time a major position opens up, the media makes such a huge deal about interviewing minorities. Now, I believe that only qualified candidates should be interviewed, and sometimes the term "qualified" is subjective to the school based on previous ties, informal agreements, etc. I do however, think it is ridiculous to tell a school that they must interview a certain number of minorities. What if there are none qualified? What if someone like Pete Carroll says he wants the job if you offer it right now, but since you have to interview a minority coach, you lose out? I understand and agree that there is a lack of minorities coaches, but what if there just aren't many qualified enough? I mean, what is an "acceptable" amount, 10, 20?

My point is, that schools should be able to choose whoever they want, whenever they want. Yes, there should be some sort of guidelines, but I think it is absurd that schools are required to interview a minority candidate if they are obviously less qualified.

Oh, and bf51, I don't disagree with what you said, except that to schools like Stanford, Notre Dame, etc. the coaching position isn't a public job. Is Auburn a state school?
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Not that I don't think there is a lack of minority coaching in all sports, there is, but the way that every time a major position opens up, the media makes such a huge deal about interviewing minorities. Now, I believe that only qualified candidates should be interviewed, and sometimes the term "qualified" is subjective to the school based on previous ties, informal agreements, etc. I do however, think it is ridiculous to tell a school that they must interview a certain number of minorities. What if there are none qualified? What if someone like Pete Carroll says he wants the job if you offer it right now, but since you have to interview a minority coach, you lose out? I understand and agree that there is a lack of minorities coaches, but what if there just aren't many qualified enough? I mean, what is an "acceptable" amount, 10, 20?

My point is, that schools should be able to choose whoever they want, whenever they want. Yes, there should be some sort of guidelines, but I think it is absurd that schools are required to interview a minority candidate if they are obviously less qualified.

Oh, and bf51, I don't disagree with what you said, except that to schools like Stanford, Notre Dame, etc. the coaching position isn't a public job. Is Auburn a state school?
Yes, Auburn is a state school.

I don't totally disagree with what you are saying. All I'm asking for is transparency. The Rooney Rule is a flawed but good rule because it forces them to at least interview a minority when previously they weren't at all. If the schools can make a legit case why a certain coach is their bread and butter that's fine, but they need to publicly make that case in front of a public board of some sort. Simply allowing them to hire whomever they want, particularly in the case of public universities, is unacceptable in my mind. That will do nothing but perpetuate the inequality of the last 100 years. Something has to be done.

And private schools still receive some public funding. This is why Bob Jones was finally forced to integrate between blacks and whites, because the government continued to deny them public funds.
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It's not a matter of minority, it's a matter of 90% of the players being black yet we only have 6 black head coaches.
Why can't you see people as individuals? Why separate according to perceived race? Would you rather that NFL teams see things in black and white than choosing the individual they think is the best fit for the job?

Hypocrisy

When I look at NFL CB's, I don't really give a crap how my eyes perceive their skin pigmentation. I care about how quickly they can react and run. How well they can read a QB. Whether they are fundamentally sound or need a lot of work to realize their potential. Whether they are better in man or zone coverages. You know, relevant stuff. The area of the planet where (some of) their ancestors came from is irrelevant.
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