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Old 12-01-2009, 08:38 PM    (permalink
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I hope Groh gets another NFL job. Not as a HC but as an assistant. I'd love him to be the OC for the Steelers. He can't do any worse than Arians.
I'm pretty sure he's super defensive minded. No chance he takes an OC, maybe a DC job on a bad team. Will probably take an assistant's role with the Dolphins.
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I was sorry to see Al Groh go too, he was a Parcells protege -- he couldn't out-recruit Va. Tech for the in-state talent.

I heard today that Richmond Spider HC Mike London is the leading candidate to replace Groh. London won Richmond's 1st D. I-AA title last yr, I remember them beating perennial D. 1-AA contender Montana. Wasnt London a former UVA asst ?
Virginia has academic standards, while VTech is more than happy to take all of the super athletic retards like the Vicks. It's a tough road for UVA
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I'm pretty sure he's super defensive minded. No chance he takes an OC, maybe a DC job on a bad team. Will probably take an assistant's role with the Dolphins.
He's worked on both sides, but he is more of a defensive minded coach. You are right.
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Kelly said in his radio interview this morning in Cincy he isn't interested in the ND job but I think he lacks sincerity
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lets just say Urban, Stoops and Kelly all say "No". Who does ND go after then?
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lets just say Urban, Stoops and Kelly all say "No". Who does ND go after then?
Jim Harbaugh.
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I think he would wait for Michigan to open up next year. Plus he has a good thing going at Stanford.
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I think he would wait for Michigan to open up next year. Plus he has a good thing going at Stanford.
The opportunities and money at ND are far better than at Stanford.
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i think he knows the writing is on the wall at Michigan for Rich Rod. I say he waits for his alma matter to give him a call next year. and Michigan does have the money to pay him. plus the added stress from coaching at ND would not make it worth the extra money
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I think ND would more likely go with Edsall from UConn. Not as flashy but a good coach none the less
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lets just say Urban, Stoops and Kelly all say "No". Who does ND go after then?
Lou Holtz for a year as a stopgap.
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lets just say Urban, Stoops and Kelly all say "No". Who does ND go after then?
fitzgerald, edsall or tuberville would be my guess. All would be clear later options though
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i think he knows the writing is on the wall at Michigan for Rich Rod. I say he waits for his alma matter to give him a call next year. and Michigan does have the money to pay him. plus the added stress from coaching at ND would not make it worth the extra money
If Rodriguez wins eight or more games, he'll buy himself another year. Looking at the returning players (especially if Donovan Warren returns) and the schedule, it looks good for Rodriguez.
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No way in hell Brian Kelly turns down Notre Dame. I can understand Gary Patterson at TCU, as Texas is big enough for two major programs. No matter how hard Kelly tries, Cincinnatti will always be a second thought both in the state and in the city.
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Early rumors for the UVA coaching job are that Skip Holtz is pretty much in as coach.
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No way in hell Brian Kelly turns down Notre Dame. I can understand Gary Patterson at TCU, as Texas is big enough for two major programs. No matter how hard Kelly tries, Cincinnatti will always be a second thought both in the state and in the city.
He seems to be content to stay, but he might just be saying that in case he's not picked.

However, let me throw this out there.

Yes, Dantonio helped get that program moving in the right direction before Kelly got there, but Kelly has a legitimate opportunity, should he want it, to do to Cincinnati what Bobby Bowden did to Florida State. Taking a nothing program and making it a consistent contender.

Ohio and the surrounding areas have the players to recruit and while historically the Bearcats football team has been an after thought, they have a football loving fanbase there.
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lets just say Urban, Stoops and Kelly all say "No". Who does ND go after then?
I have thought the whole time that Pat Fitzgerald was their guy. He has not had a ton of success at Northwestern yet, but it's clear to anyone who has seen that team play, he's got them going in that direction.

Northwestern has higher academic standards than Notre Dame, so that's nothing new to Fitzgerald and I think ND hopes they can capture that Ara Parsegian type vibe with Fitz.

If Notre Dame is intent on getting someone with a proven track record, maybe the rumors about Brian Billick will come true
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Ohio does not have the extra players to recruit with Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, and Penn State all in that area.

Cincinnatti has nothing in common with Florida State. Bobby Bowden took over that program at the same time as tons of people were moving into Florida, saturating the recruiting base for FSU, Miami, and Florida. The exact opposite is happening in Ohio.
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Ohio does not have the extra players to recruit with Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, and Penn State all in that area.

Cincinnatti has nothing in common with Florida State. Bobby Bowden took over that program at the same time as tons of people were moving into Florida, saturating the recruiting base for FSU, Miami, and Florida. The exact opposite is happening in Ohio.
They don't have the extra players to recruit, but Cincinnati is currently undefeated heading into their game against Pittsburgh?

Where are these players coming from?
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Do you really think the players on this Cincinnatti team even come close to the talent he could get at Notre Dame?

Before you answer, that's a rhetorical question, it only has one correct answer, and judging by your response I'm a little afraid you won't get it.
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Do you really think the players on this Cincinnatti team even come close to the talent he could get at Notre Dame?

Before you answer, that's a rhetorical question, it only has one correct answer, and judging by your response I'm a little afraid you won't get it.
What does that have to do with anything? If he wants to stay at Cincinnati, he knows what he's giving up in doing so. The point is he can compete with the players he is able to bring in.

And you're completely ignoring the point that there are recruits he can get in Ohio and the surrounding areas, despite being near Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, etc. as illustrated by his 33-6 record with the Bearcats.
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No he can't.

He cannot continually compete at Cincinnatti with the recruiting base and the resources available to him. Three years does not make a dynasty. Lots of schools have mini-runs like this. They don't last because you can't always win by outcoaching the other team, particularly once you're schemes are open to more and more scrutiny.

If he's smart, he'll leave, just like he did at Central Michigan and Grand Valley State.

Again, Bobby Bowden didn't just turn Florida State around just because he was a good coach, he came in during a huge demographic boom in the state.
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Do you really think the players on this Cincinnatti team even come close to the talent he could get at Notre Dame?

Before you answer, that's a rhetorical question, it only has one correct answer, and judging by your response I'm a little afraid you won't get it.
I agree with what you have been saying in this argument.

Football is definitely a different game, Kelly has been great at Cincy and he has been doing it with just mediocre players to be honest. He has great schemes and prepares very well, but once he gets to a certain stage....teams are just going to be more athletic. He may have the right scheme, and the right game plan to stop them, but in the end....the more athletic team will come out on top.

If he goes to ND, which i think he will. He will start getting recruits he could never imagine getting. He's going to get guys that make his scheme and his game plans, and strategies work soooo much better than they already do.
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anytime you wanna fire Mangino Lew.the longer this draws out the less likely we get a decent coach
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