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Old 11-06-2008, 12:43 PM    (permalink
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ZOMGZ, tackles mean everything!
zomg half the people here are obsessed with stats. just trying to make some people appreciate what little talent we have left on the broncos. DJ is a great player. don't p.m.s.
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ZOMGZ, tackles mean everything!
Wait, so Dhani Jones isn't good then?

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to add on to that, i know a lot of broncos fans tend to scrutinize DJ for his questionable ability to read and react... but here's a guy (not to sound like madden) who's played all 3 linebacker positions, and played quite well in all 3 places. name another linebacker that has that under his belt.
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zomg half the people here are obsessed with stats. just trying to make some people appreciate what little talent we have left on the broncos. DJ is a great player. don't p.m.s.
DJ Williams is the equivalent of the scoring leader for the Knicks. Somebody needs to get the points...
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still tackles should at least be looked at. Yes it isn't the only thing but it does show he is stoping the offensive player.
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A lot of tackles usually mean you were on a bad defense that couldn't get off the field.

Like Jon Beason and Patrick Willis last year. Beason's tackles are down, but he is playing really well.
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DJ Williams is the equivalent of the scoring leader for the Knicks. Somebody needs to get the points...
false. DJ is 1 of 2 good tacklers on this team. he's been able to rack up the tackles at all positions as well.
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false. DJ is 1 of 2 good tacklers on this team. he's been able to rack up the tackles at all positions as well.
Exactly. It isn't so much him being good, as it is his team being bad.
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Denver's defense plays is so weak that the number of opportunities he has to make tackles is inflated. Tackles can be a good indicator, and show how a guy flows to the ball, but often don't tell the whole story. When DJ was against the Saints, he had 14 solo's, but he was also responsible for covering Reggie Bush in the pass game, which lead to many of the tackles after a few yards. I'd be interested to see the number of reps each defense has taken, and then see tackle numbers, could be more helpful.
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I know a lot of guys before the season were predicting a breakout year from Posluszny, and I'd say they've pretty much been right. Very impressive player.
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how much do you all weigh in total tackles when it comes to LB. I know DJ Williams and D'Qwell Jackson are top in the lead in tackles but hardly in anyones list. I think they are preety important but not the biggest thing.
The problem with tackles in that often times defenders on bad teams easily get a crap load of tackles. I still think tackles are an important stack but LB's need to be judged by watching games and watching how they impact the game rather than stats.
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edit: forget about tackles, dj is still a great linebacker who will be overshadowed

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The problem with tackles in that often times defenders on bad teams easily get a crap load of tackles. I still think tackles are an important stack but LB's need to be judged by watching games and watching how they impact the game rather than stats.
I see what you mean I understand, tackles for a loss are important as well. But nothing beats watching the players on film.
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Dansby > all

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I really hope you're not basing that on this seasons play. He has not played well at all this season. Not looking like himself one bit.
This season no, but overall he is top 7. He was a top 2 MLB last year, this year he hasn't been much of a factor.
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Anyone else feel like that people here are starting to ignore stats to a point where it is getting a bit ridiculous? I know stats aren't a complete measurement, but you gotta give credit to the guys who lead the league in tackles because they are stopping the play.
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Yeah its a bit of a two fold statement, Willis is a top 2 linebacker because he had a mass of tackles in his rookie season, but Dhani Jones sucks but he's leading the league.

Linebackers, like defensive ends, have to be judged with the eye more than anything else, but I think an opinion about a player is formed through watching, its reinforced by stats.
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how much do you all weigh in total tackles when it comes to LB. I know DJ Williams and D'Qwell Jackson are top in the lead in tackles but hardly in anyones list. I think they are preety important but not the biggest thing.
When a good linebacker plays on a terrible defense they get a very high amount of tackles. And then you look at a very good defense like the steelers, the leading tackler is james farrior with only fifty, and the tackles are alot more spread out among the defenders..
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Adalius Thomas has been a beast this year. He can do it all.
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Anyone else feel like that people here are starting to ignore stats to a point where it is getting a bit ridiculous? I know stats aren't a complete measurement, but you gotta give credit to the guys who lead the league in tackles because they are stopping the play.
I don't think so. When someone says 'DJ Williams, he's leading the league in tackles!' what do you really expect. No one is saying completely ignore the stats, but they should back the statement, not make it. Tackles are good and dandy, but that alone is hardly a reason to rate someone, otherwise we are simply saying that Dhani Jones and DJ Williams are both even and outstanding......maybe they are, but not in my books. I think DJ is awesome, and deserves mention, but the reasoning to mention him alone was flawed. It is hard to mention a guy on an absolutely terrible defense as a top guy, it is just hard to do. Many give Bailey the benefit of the doubt, but to be honest he has dropped considerably in my eyes, whether it be more to him not being able to stay on the field or not, that factors in.
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Originally Posted by fenikz View Post
Dansby > all

can play all spots in the 3-4 and 4-3
By that definition Lawrence Timmons is the best LB in the league.

Timmons > Dansby.

Timmons can not only play all 4 3-4 LB Positions, but he can also cover WR's 1 on 1.

Dansby: 55 Tackles, 3 sacks 1 PD
Timmons: 30 Tackles, 4 Sacks, 1 PD

Timmons is rotating in all positions.
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