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Old 11-08-2008, 07:17 PM    (permalink
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I wouldn't use Roger Goodell as a model of consistency, so i don't think this means much. I gave my thoughts on this already previously. If he didn't deem it worthy of a fine, that's okay with me. If he did, i would have supported it as well. I'm not gonna sit here and cry on how he should have been fined, but the referee deemed the tackle unnecessary, and during the game, that's whose opinion mattered most.
I can't remember a time where Goodell came in and took a fine away for a hit. It should not have been a penalty, it was a textbook tackle. Mistake by the ref.
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NFL is a buisness. There is no fair or consistency ever in buisnesses. The QBs are there stars, they basically make the NFL the most money. What do buisnesses do? Try to protect that. They could fine everyone for no reason, as long as they still keep playing, the NFL doesnt care
When it comes to laying down the law in something that's written in text (how you should and shouldn't tackle the quarterback), there absolutely needs to be consistency. Same thing with the suspensions on rumors being spread about players. This is their livelihood, and it can be taken away by the commissioner if he doesn't like the way the media reacted to a certain occurrence. Roger Goodell appeals to public opinion way too much in his rulings. He basically sand-bagged the people that hand out fines by rescinding it, simply because the way the media reacted to the Justin Tuck fining. I mean seriously, he didn't see the play until friday? Yeah right.
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When it comes to laying down the law in something that's written in text (how you should and shouldn't tackle the quarterback), there absolutely needs to be consistency. Same thing with the suspensions on rumors being spread about players. This is their livelihood, and it can be taken away by the commissioner if he doesn't like the way the media reacted to a certain occurrence. Roger Goodell appeals to public opinion way too much in his rulings. He basically sand-bagged the people that hand out fines by rescinding it, simply because the way the media reacted to the Justin Tuck fining. I mean seriously, he didn't see the play until friday? Yeah right.
Like the way the media has dealt with the Matt Jones fiasco?
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Like the way the media has dealt with the Matt Jones fiasco?
Did they ever make as big a fuss about it as they did anything with Tank Johnson, or Adam Jones, or Odell Thurman? No. Is he still playing? Yes.
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When it comes to laying down the law in something that's written in text (how you should and shouldn't tackle the quarterback), there absolutely needs to be consistency. Same thing with the suspensions on rumors being spread about players. This is their livelihood, and it can be taken away by the commissioner if he doesn't like the way the media reacted to a certain occurrence. Roger Goodell appeals to public opinion way too much in his rulings. He basically sand-bagged the people that hand out fines by rescinding it, simply because the way the media reacted to the Justin Tuck fining. I mean seriously, he didn't see the play until friday? Yeah right.
well he is consistently handing out fines.
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well he is consistently handing out fines.
It's not him, personally, that hands out the fine. The league office does so. Which is why i said he basically sandbagged them, after never butting into their business before.
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Did they ever make as big a fuss about it as they did anything with Tank Johnson, or Adam Jones, or Odell Thurman? No. Is he still playing? Yes.
So now you're keeping a scale of the amount of attention each player gets for questionable activity on and off the field.

Who has gotten more pub, the Tuck fine or the Jones cocaine scenario? Jones has yet to be penalized, Tuck's fine was taken away. There goes your theory.
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It's not him, personally, that hands out the fine. The league office does so. Which is why i said he basically sandbagged them, after never butting into their business before.
But Goodell has the final word on each fine.
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So now you're keeping a scale of the amount of attention each player gets for questionable activity on and off the field.

Who has gotten more pub, the Tuck fine or the Jones cocaine scenario? Jones has yet to be penalized, Tuck's fine was taken away. There goes your theory.
How does that throw out my theory? They had about 85 "analysts" on BSPN all freakin' week long complaining that he shouldn't have been fined, and then all of a sudden, Roger Goodell sees the play on Friday "for the first time" and rescinds the fine? It's a crock.
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But Goodell has the final word on each fine.
If he gives a crap, he does. If he doesn't, or if he doesn't have reason to give a crap, he'll just let the league office take care of it. But since there was shows on TV all week long talking about it, he decided to step in. How convenient.
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How does that throw out my theory? They had about 85 "analysts" on BSPN all freakin' week long complaining that he shouldn't have been fined, and then all of a sudden, Roger Goodell sees the play on Friday "for the first time" and rescinds the fine? It's a crock.
Keep on exaggerating, it makes this easier for all of us.

Perhaps Goodell has something that we call a schedule? Perhaps he had more important things to do before checking out the Tuck hit? I mean, he is the the commisioner of a billion dollar business ya know. Again, how come he was not influenced by the media with the Matt Jones situation?
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If he gives a crap, he does. If he doesn't, or if he doesn't have reason to give a crap, he'll just let the league office take care of it. But since there was shows on TV all week long talking about it, he decided to step in. How convenient.
Dude when you wake up tomorrow morning, read everything you posted from start to finish in this thread. It is beyond ridiculous.
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Keep on exaggerating, it makes this easier for all of us.

Perhaps Goodell has something that we call a schedule? Perhaps he had more important things to do before checking out the Tuck hit? I mean, he is the the commisioner of a billion dollar business ya know. Again, how come he was not influenced by the media with the Matt Jones situation?
The only thing i exaggerated on was the number of analysts, since i most certainly do not have an accurate number, but i watch enough of that channel to know that just about every show for two or three days straight talked about it, and they each had their respective "analysts" complaining about the fine.

When the Matt Jones situation occurred it got very little coverage. I'm not sure where you're going with this.
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Dude when you wake up tomorrow morning, read everything you posted from start to finish in this thread. It is beyond ridiculous.
How so? What's ridiculous is your homerism on everything Giants related.
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There has been a very good amount of coverage about Matt Jones not receiving any punishment from the league. Like, 85 analysts!

Perhaps the reason the Tuck fine got so much pub was, dare I say it, it was the most ridiculous fine of the season? Could you ever even come close to admitting that?
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How so? What's ridiculous is your homerism on everything Giants related.
I was hoping you'd use that cop out. Saw it coming from a mile away. Since you are really good at counting, go count how many people in this thread said the Tuck fine was not right. And then, call all of them Giants homers.

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There has been a very good amount of coverage about Matt Jones not receiving any punishment from the league. Like, 85 analysts!

Perhaps the reason the Tuck fine got so much pub was, dare I say it, it was the most ridiculous fine of the season? Could you ever even come close to admitting that?
The only problem with your ridiculous statements is that i actually did keep up with what BSPN covered during the cocaine bust. It was one for one day, and it never showed up again. Ask anyone else.

I've already gone through two pages explaining why i feel it wasn't a ridiculous flag or fine, you can go back and read them if you'd like. I'm done discussing this with a Giants fan, your homerism will never allow you to think outside the box. Anyone else offering an objective opinion, i'm all ears.

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I was hoping you'd use that cop out. Saw it coming from a mile away. Since you are really good at counting, go count how many people in this thread said the Tuck fine was not right. And then, call all of them Giants homers.

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My previous experience in discussions with you has shown me more than enough to make the assumption that you are a ridiculous homer.
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Done counting yet? It may take you awhile.

Is there one person in this thread that agreed Tuck's hit was worthy of that penalty, other than you, a Giants hater?
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So now you're keeping a scale of the amount of attention each player gets for questionable activity on and off the field.

Who has gotten more pub, the Tuck fine or the Jones cocaine scenario? Jones has yet to be penalized, Tuck's fine was taken away. There goes your theory.
um i thought matt jones is gonna get a 4 week suspension
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um i thought matt jones is gonna get a 4 week suspension
Yeah, as far as I know, the only reason he is still able to play is because he is appealing his suspension, which I think was 3 games instead of 4.
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I was hoping you'd use that cop out. Saw it coming from a mile away. Since you are really good at counting, go count how many people in this thread said the Tuck fine was not right. And then, call all of them Giants homers.

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Yeah I was following along read this thread, and was waiting for him to say that too. LOL.
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