Matt Ryan vs. Joe Flacco - Page 5

BmoreBlackByrdz · 11-13-2008, 02:20 PM

Those are no doubt are #1 and #1b needs. I would prefer us take a WR seeing as how our well our depth is, at DB. But at the same time, Ive heard some rumors about C-Mac not being a Raven next year. If he is gone I think corner is a bigger need, but I doubt Vontae Davis or Malcolm Jenkins will fall to us. For WR's Id LOVE Crabtree but he will be long gone. Im not so sure about Jeremy Maclin but if he is gone, Id love Derrius Heyward-Bey.

Menardo75 · 11-13-2008, 02:22 PM

Alright nice is Demitrius Williams too inconsistant to be a number one or whats with him?

ccB · 11-13-2008, 02:29 PM

Seeing as how Ryan was looked at as a number 1 overall pick and most people thought Flacco was a reach and should of been taking in the 2nd round, I'd say its a push as far as expectations are going. Ryan was expected to do more than Flacco, which he is. But Flacco is doing more than people expected him to at the same time. Both are exceeding expectations and as far as whose better right now of course it's Ryan but I'd hope he was doing better being selected in the first few picks of the draft.

All homerism aside I wanted Flacco more than Ryan (it was a value decision) and I like the the package he brings to the table more than Ryan's even if Ryan is performing better right now. Flacco's biggest knock was his high bust potential and so far it looks like he wont bust so I'll take his upside over Ryan's. But in the end none of us have a crystal ball so it's just a wait and see what happens process right now.

Right now Ryan is clearly playing better but as for the future who knows what happens. I am a sucker for physical tools and Flacco has every tool you could want out of a QB.

Ravens1991 · 11-13-2008, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Menardo75

Alright nice is Demitrius Williams too inconsistant to be a number one or whats with him?

well I just think w/ his talent level he could be a decent #1 or a great #2, he does have the ability to be a play maker. I hope we can get any of the top 4 WR prospects (I am sure at least one will be at our pick) so we can have D-will, Clayton in the slot, the draft pick, and then rotate Yamon Figures in as a vertical threat.

11-13-2008, 02:44 PM

Both are good but as of right now im taking flacco because hes done it with less offensive weapons

BmoreBlackByrdz · 11-13-2008, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Menardo75

Alright nice is Demitrius Williams too inconsistant to be a number one or whats with him?

When we drafted him, I was really high on D-Will, Hes got the talent there and showed potential in his 2 seasons but he has yet to put anything together he got injured this year and its a shame because we are starting to go vertical way more than we used to and thats where he excels. IMO the jury is still out on this guy and hes got more of a chance to succeed in our offense than Mark Clayton. Next year is going to be a big year for him and IMO, he will do great, because like I said earlier in this post, we are stretching the field more and going deep and that where hsi talent is.

Menardo75 · 11-13-2008, 02:50 PM

Alright awesome good info guys. I was not sure about the Flacco pick since I thought he was the most risky of all the QBs. Really good thing that he has panned out so far very plesant suprise.

d34ng3l021 · 11-13-2008, 02:58 PM

I know Ryan is 'expected' to do better, but here are just some statistics I would like to point out. He isn't doing well for a rookie QB. He is doing well for a starting QB, period.

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Matt Ryan statistics.

8th in YPA with 7.6 (tied with Jay Cutler)
10th in 1st down percentage with 35.2%
9th (including Romo and Orton) in TD-INT ratio (starting QBs)
11th in QB rating

I do not know where his 1 fumble lost and 2 fumbles total rank, but here are other top passers this season and their numbers. A % with number of pass attempts would be nice, but I do not want to calculate that. Player Name (Fumbles, Fumbles lost)

Aaron Rodgers (7,3). Drew Brees (6,1)(wow), Tony Romo (6 GP) (6,3). Phillip Rivers (2,2). Kurt Warner (6,4). Chad Pennington (1,0). Jason Campbell (3,1). Matt Schaub (8,3). Kyle Orton (4,3). Donavan McNabb (4,2).

Now imagine had Ryan not thrown those redzone picks and they were TDs (at least the GB one should have been for sure). His TD-INT ratio would have been 12-4 or 13-3. Damn.

Ravens1991 · 11-13-2008, 03:05 PM

http://www.nfl.com/players/joeflacco...e?id=FLA009602

in the upper right hand corner there is a video of mayock talking about the QB

ccB · 11-13-2008, 03:09 PM

I mean if you want to look at stats, Joe Flacco's last 4 games (I know its against poor teams but still coming from a guy who played at Delaware last year these are still imrpessive.)

107.7 QB rating 805 yards 6 TD's 0 INT's

Thats nothing to be sad about. It really shows me something that he could rebound from those 3 bad games and put up numbers like this. I am not saying these numbers alone makes him better than Ryan, just saying Flaccos been on fire. I am sure it will decline with our tough road ahead but it gives people an idea of what this guy is capable of.

11-13-2008, 04:54 PM

Is there really any evidence that one will be better than the other? Flacco hasn't been giving up the ball like he was earlier this year lately, but Ryan has been just insane with the ice water running through his veins.

It's FAR too early to call it on this one, but if Baltimore can keep that insane defense alive and keeping them in games, then Flacco can be a game manager and win a superbowl. That defense by itself isn't going to lose any games for you.

This year it's not really close, but Ryan had a 'headstart' by playing D1 ball (which Flacco did too, under a great QB guy @ Pitt, before moving to D2 ball) It's going to be a few years before we can call this race, and even then it is prolly going to be one of those things that is debated for years and years. I'm just glad the Falcons get to be in on the discussion.

Sniper · 11-13-2008, 05:35 PM

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Is there really any evidence that one will be better than the other? Flacco hasn't been giving up the ball like he was earlier this year lately, but Ryan has been just insane with the ice water running through his veins.

It's FAR too early to call it on this one, but if Baltimore can keep that insane defense alive and keeping them in games, then Flacco can be a game manager and win a superbowl. That defense by itself isn't going to lose any games for you.

This year it's not really close, but Ryan had a 'headstart' by playing D1 ball (which Flacco did too, under a great QB guy @ Pitt, before moving to D2 ball) It's going to be a few years before we can call this race, and even then it is prolly going to be one of those things that is debated for years and years. I'm just glad the Falcons get to be in on the discussion.

Flacco never played Division II.

Sniper · 11-13-2008, 05:38 PM

Stunningly, a new Falcons fan shows up on the boards after iloxygenil gets banned....

BamaFalcon59 · 11-13-2008, 05:44 PM

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Stunningly, a new Falcons fan shows up on the boards after iloxygenil gets banned....

OMGosh I knew there was something up with that new guy. Wow. I am suprised I didn't figure that out myself.

d34ng3l021 · 11-13-2008, 06:11 PM

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Stunningly, a new Falcons fan shows up on the boards after iloxygenil gets banned....

You think so? They seem like different posters. iloxy was a little *****.

Sniper · 11-13-2008, 06:46 PM

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You think so? They seem like different posters. iloxy was a little *****.

Falcons is only 7 posts in. Give it time.

BBIB · 11-14-2008, 01:33 PM

Matt Ryan looks like the better QB now and he has the better cast.

Don't see that changing.

BmoreBlackByrdz · 11-15-2008, 02:33 PM

Ask yourself this- If Flacco was in Matt Ryans spot and Matt Ryan was in Flaccos would they have the same numbers or would one or the other excel? Who'd be better then? Flacco gets the top 10 WR and explosive run game and Ryan gets the elite defense with a solid run game

BamaFalcon59 · 11-15-2008, 03:53 PM

If Baltimore had Matt Ryan they may be undefeated.

If Atlanta had Joe Flacco they would have more losses, easy. I would say they would be 3-6.

princefielder28 · 11-15-2008, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaFalcon59

If Baltimore had Matt Ryan they may be undefeated.

If Atlanta had Joe Flacco they would have more losses, easy. I would say they would be 3-6.

I don't think that'd be the case. Ryan has played very well so far but there is no way that he would have the Ravens sniffing a perfect season thus far. IMO, Flacco would be doing just as well in Atlanta and Ryan's stats and performance would be slightly lower if he was a Raven.

MetSox17 · 11-15-2008, 04:23 PM

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I don't think that'd be the case. Ryan has played very well so far but there is no way that he would have the Ravens sniffing a perfect season thus far. IMO, Flacco would be doing just as well in Atlanta and Ryan's stats and performance would be slightly lower if he was a Raven.

Yeah, you can't really make those crazy assumptions. All we have to work with is Ryan in ATL and Flacco in BAL

princefielder28 · 11-15-2008, 04:25 PM

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Yeah, you can't really make those crazy assumptions. All we have to work with is Ryan in ATL and Flacco in BAL

Bama was just revealing his inner homer

BmoreBlackByrdz · 11-15-2008, 04:36 PM

LOL, but yeah I think nothing would change dramaticly but there numbers would be alot different. Flacco would be higher if he was in Ryans place and Ryans would be alot lower if he were a Raven.

MetSox17 · 11-15-2008, 04:40 PM

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Bama was just revealing his inner homer

Oh i know.... i know.

DeathbyStat · 11-15-2008, 04:46 PM

In Ryan I see a potentially elite player.

In Flacco a see a poorer version of Big Ben